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shackguy

Aug 1, 2005, 11:35 AM
😢 I've had VZW since Nov 1, 2000 the first day RadioShack carried VZW and they have given me awesome service in the greater Chicago area.

I've heard horror stories of Cingular in the past but not lately.

While change is good most of the time, I'm a little weary of how Cingular will stack up with their GSM coverage to VZW's.

I guess only time will tell if this was a wise move or not. I'm keeping my fingers crossed since 10 years is a long time if not.

Hoping we made the right move.
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sademployee

Aug 1, 2005, 4:31 PM
the future is in cdma and verizon is always two steps ahead of sprint in technology. So we made the WRONG decision 👿 That was pretty pathetic decision by radioshack
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dcantin56

Aug 1, 2005, 4:39 PM
I completely agree with you about thinking customers first and i have a verizon myself and i love the company, but actually sprint is usually 2 steps ahead of verizon in technology as far as camera phones push to talk the only thing is verizon has alot better coverage and as far as customers first goes cingular has more customers than any other wireless company so radio shack is thinking customers first for themselves
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Big Poppa

Aug 1, 2005, 5:07 PM
Verizon 2 steps ahead of Sprint? 🤣

Sprint has been the first on far more stuff than Verizon.

But Sprint is starting to learn that being first isn't always the best.

Take a look at Verizon.. They ran to be the first CDMA carrier with PTT. IT SUCKED! Had TONS of problems. Sprint held off untill they were sure thiers would be more RELIABLE..

Verizon came out with EV-DO.. so what.. I bet it has lots of problems too, and was only available in a couple of markets. When Sprint fully launces it and actually starts PROMOTING it. It will work better than Verizon's and be active in a LOT more markets, if not Nationwide.

Look how long it took Verizon to adopt Unlimited Mobile to Mobile to someone who isn;t part fo your "Family Shar...
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sademployee

Aug 1, 2005, 6:27 PM
sprint was behind on offering crippled bluetooth and still has yet to offer evdo. there upgrade program is one of the worst too. you have to wait two years from the day you register an new esn to get a phone regardless if the phone is new or not so you have to wait two years after a insurance replacement even to get a new phone.
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Bspaz

Aug 1, 2005, 8:39 PM
actually they don't count insurance phones silly goose
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crazykupo

Aug 1, 2005, 9:40 PM
Insurance phones. An old phone from your friend that was given to you. It all counts. Even an ESN swap for a defective in warrenty manufacturer replacement.

Changing your ESN for *any* reason will reset this date.

Kupo.
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Big Poppa

Aug 2, 2005, 9:19 AM
Your wrong. It does not. It may seem that way when looking at your eligabilty date online, but that is because thier system only see a change. Having a Rep research the ESN of look into your notes to see if it was a insurqnce repalcement, they can manually add the rebate code to your account.
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sademployee

Aug 3, 2005, 4:52 PM
they still told me it didn't matter if i change an esn i have to wait two years, i want to be wrong on this one so ill give them a call again maybe they realized how insane that was and changed it
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Big Poppa

Aug 2, 2005, 9:14 AM
Your wrong on the Upgrade buddy. Re-Read my post.

Having the same esn for 12-23 months Gets you a $75 instant Rebate 24 + gets your a $150

Verizon give you $100 after 24 months.

I think Sprint's new rebate system is great!

Why do you need to change you phone every couple months?

And only activating a NEW esn resets your rebate eligabilty clock. Insurance replacements do NOT reset it either.

Just face up to it man. Verizon sucks!
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Zaniphan

Aug 2, 2005, 10:12 AM
Big Poppa said:
Your wrong on the Upgrade buddy. Re-Read my post.

Having the same esn for 12-23 months Gets you a $75 instant Rebate 24 + gets your a $150

Verizon give you $100 after 24 months.

I think Sprint's new rebate system is great!

Why do you need to change you phone every couple months?

And only activating a NEW esn resets your rebate eligabilty clock. Insurance replacements do NOT reset it either.

Just face up to it man. Verizon sucks!



The NE2 program that gives the $100 rebate for VZW is off of the new cotnract pricing of the phone, not the full retail price. If I'm not mistaken, is the discount through sprint off of the full retail price?
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Big Poppa

Aug 3, 2005, 3:28 PM
Keep in mind also that Sprint's Full Retail prices are considerable CHEAPER than Verizon's Full Retail price. So it balances out.
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AshDizzle

Aug 1, 2005, 5:19 PM
Thats right! The future is in CDMA. Good thing WCDMA (UMTS) is coming to GSM! GSM will always be one step ahead of the rest, more supporters = more market = more money. 1 billion GSM customers against a few hundred million on CDMA.
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sademployee

Aug 1, 2005, 6:05 PM
GSM is always one step ahead with lower voice capacity and UMTS is still a little slower than ev-do
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Wdw

Aug 1, 2005, 6:15 PM
For those waiting for WCDMA. I would say patience would be the word that you would want to embrace. I know someone that just lleft the development team that's working on WCDMA. Lets just say it's not going well. He left Cingular to go work for T-Mobile.
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AshDizzle

Aug 1, 2005, 7:08 PM
Great story Wdw. Sounds totally credible and legit, full of details. I really am waiting for the exciting conclusion.
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Wdw

Aug 1, 2005, 7:39 PM
You can choose to believe what ever you want. So you can wait and see.
I can't go in specifics about what trouble they're having, I didn't bother to ask. It was just a discussion that came up over lunch, I hadn't seen him since I left AT&T about 3 years ago so we had a lot of ground to cover. All I can say that he was totally discouraged with how things were going with the project and was looking for any chance to get out.
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tropicalhaven

Aug 8, 2005, 10:28 AM
Well, in actuality, Cingular did better than ATTWS, and that's why Cingular is around. ATTWS chose to sell out instead of Chapter 11.

And if he's going to work at T-Mobile, it most not be the technology, it must be a problem he had with Cingular management. Cingular and T-Mobile use the same technology (less Cingular's AMPS/TDMA assets, which are being phased out.)
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Wdw

Aug 8, 2005, 10:45 AM
There were a lot of reasons that he moved. I can tell you that T-Mobile employees are happy employees. I have friends that work at both companies, and the ones at T-Mobile are much happier.
That being said to my friend the technologies involded had very little to do with his decesion and more to how it was being developed. Yes, part of it was management. A lot of his old team are leaving or looking to leave , so much of the project will be delayed in just getting new developers on board.
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tropicalhaven

Aug 8, 2005, 10:51 AM
CDMA is always a step ahead with lower voice quality and the shrinking cell effect.

No matter what, they both have advantages and disadvantages.

GSM has better voice quality, better hardware, more roaming, and a more advanced setup (such as forwarding, et al). GSM also has recognized the difference from when a call was submitted to when a call is connected, something that CDMA cannot currently do. GSM has the SIM which makes swapping phones easy and convenient. GSM has the IMEI, a serial-type number on the phone to help prevent fraudulent use if the phone is lost/stolen.

CDMA has better voice capacity, and can support voice and data in the same channel (but that does not mean it does...EV-DO is EVolution - Data Only, meaning it i...
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Silverdale_man

Aug 2, 2005, 12:26 AM
Why does there always have to be some LAMER..that spams the GSM has more customers, That crap means nothing. When you start a cellular service in 1990 ..you have no say in what tech you can use for digital service..its GSM or nothing. SO for 6 or 7 years the world sold ,made and built nothing but GSM. Its only a givin the GSM would have more people on it. That by no means makes it better then anything.
From all the studies ive looked into, CDMA is cheaper to run, sounds better and can have more people per tower. So GSM has more customers ....great!!!! u win the boobie prize.
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DMvampiress

Aug 2, 2005, 1:25 AM
In 1990 the Cellular phones were mostly still bag phones and they were AMPs (analog) TDMA in the USA was up and coming but predominant technology was TDMA. GSM didn't come to the US until the 1900 MHz range was opened up for Digital only. In fact GSM was the first to actually work in that band here though Sprint likes to make people believe they are the first and only *all* digital carrier. GSM has been that since it came over here.
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phipsi95

Aug 2, 2005, 10:18 AM
i think that sprint said that they built the first all digital nationwide network from the ground up. i don't recall them saying that they were the only ones who were all digital.
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tropicalhaven

Aug 8, 2005, 10:22 AM
Sprint also built GSM systems that through mergers and sales became part of T-Mobile.
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Albie

Aug 2, 2005, 10:24 AM
DMvampiress said:In fact GSM was the first to actually work in that band here though Sprint likes to make people believe they are the first and only *all* digital carrier. GSM has been that since it came over here.


Actually you're right and Sprint is right. Sprint did build the first all digital network in the U.S and it was GSM.

http://www.cellular.co.za/news_1999/news-12281999_om ... »

For those of you behind firewalls here is the story:

"Dec 29 1999

Sprint announced today that it has sold its Global System for Mobile (GSM) communications wireless network infrastructure (formerly known as Sprint Spectrum) in the Washington/Baltimore area to Omnipoint Corporation. In the transacti...
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SkillciaX

Aug 2, 2005, 11:23 AM
I've been working with the wireless part of Radioshack since March 2005 and when I came here. We've only sold Cingular, Aprint and T-Mobile, because they already got rid of Verizon in my store months ago.

Cingular is doing just fine. Most of my activations are either Cingular or Sprint because they have more coverage than T-Mobile. Many ppl do like the fact that they can take their GSM phone out of the country and use their same phone # and phone. And prices for a GSM phone start at FREE. Where as with Verizon or Sprint u'd pay $400 just to have a GSM phone with them.

While a lot of Verizon customers do come in here at Sam's Club (We're inside Sam's CLub) They trully are blinded and do not see that Sprint has the largest coverage of an...
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happytrails73

Aug 2, 2005, 3:44 PM
Sprint has the largest coverage area of any carrier? Seems not to work so well where i'm at, oh wait they don't have coverage here besides using verizons towers, and in rural areas they don't leave the interstates for the most part, which meanes 10 miles off of the highway and no service again, but i live in the hicks so I expect bad service but by far they don't have the largest coverage area.
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webgem78

Aug 2, 2005, 3:47 PM
You have worked at the radio shack for ten years? That,s sad.
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shackguy

Aug 2, 2005, 3:57 PM
No, it'll be 6 years in September. And whats so sad about that? Where do you work webgem78?
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