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Kinda sad

Rusty Shackleford

Sep 16, 2013, 2:49 PM
I'm not a Blackberry fan, but I find this to be a bit sad. RIM definitely had a lot wrong with it (overly cumbersome UI being one of the most frustrating), but with their latest generation of smartphones they seemed to have finally show they got it but got it too late.

RIM got arrogant with their position and blew off the iPhone as a childish passing fad when it reality the SOFTWARE CONTENT is what ultimately determines if something is business or pleasure. Ease of use is a completely different thing, but RIM didn't see it that way. Ultimately the market showed that people don't want to go through a cumbersome UI in order to operate a phone. It is a shame that RIM figured this out way too late. Now we are stuck with Google (untrust...
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T Bone

Sep 16, 2013, 3:45 PM
The problem for RIM is the market for smartphones changed, smartphones used to be a tool used by adults at their jobs to get work done. The iPhone changed it so that smartphones are now toys for children to play with. They continued to make serious work tools, when no one wanted to use smartphones for work, only for play. THAT is the problem.
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T Bone

Sep 16, 2013, 5:20 PM
And the fact that people wants toys rather than work tools is the same thing that killed Palm.
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DarkStar

Sep 17, 2013, 2:26 PM
I think you might be the problem. A Smartphone is everything in one. Anybody can use a smartphone as a tool for business. Or as a toy and they don't need a separate device. We have choice on how we use our Android phone or our iPhone or our Windows phone. Rim had a complicated UI and was incredibly slow compared to the iPhone. The iPhone showed people how easy and fast a smartphone should be. And Blackberry couldn't keep up with that.
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HawkeyeOC

Sep 17, 2013, 10:09 PM
DarkStar said:
I think you might be the problem. A Smartphone is everything in one. Anybody can use a smartphone as a tool for business. Or as a toy and they don't need a separate device. We have choice on how we use our Android phone or our iPhone or our Windows phone. Rim had a complicated UI and was incredibly slow compared to the iPhone. The iPhone showed people how easy and fast a smartphone should be. And Blackberry couldn't keep up with that.


A smartphone might be everything in one, but no one smartphone can do everything better than others that are great at just certain things.

The single greatest example of what I am talking about it Blackberry. An iPhone can do it all but blackberry can...
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DarkStar

Sep 17, 2013, 10:30 PM
How does BlackBerry do it better?
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HawkeyeOC

Sep 18, 2013, 10:35 AM
DarkStar said:
How does BlackBerry do it better?


Email is grouped inside of one icon on an iPhone. This is frustrating if you have multiple accounts like I do. You cant get to it quickly. It's buried.
Your only allowed one signature for all of them too. I know most people love their "sent from my iphone" generic messages but I need multiple signatures. I heard they may have finally addressed this?
Another annoying issue that I couldn't get around was on Pop3 accounts, my desktop apple fights with the iPhone for email access. The iPhone has a well documented problem of not exiting your email account quickly after it retrieves pop mail.IMAP is not always an option.

Past and present Blackberries give you...
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HawkeyeOC

Sep 17, 2013, 10:00 PM
T Bone said:
The problem for RIM is the market for smartphones changed, smartphones used to be a tool used by adults at their jobs to get work done. The iPhone changed it so that smartphones are now toys for children to play with. They continued to make serious work tools, when no one wanted to use smartphones for work, only for play. THAT is the problem.


I agree with this 100%
I run a business and this is exactly what I do with smartphones. It gets work done. we have iphones and ipads around here and they are still more frustrating for that purpose. For anything else in life another OS would be a better bet. My wife, my kids would never choose a Blackberry. I still would in a heartbeat, but thats jus...
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Rusty Shackleford

Sep 18, 2013, 1:51 AM
RIM, yes, decided the smartphone market should be for business purposes while the market decided that smartphones should be toys.

That the extent to how correct your post was and it wasn't even a claim I disputed. Here is where you are wrong:

Do you actually want to disagree that basic operations of the pre Z/Q10 RIM devices was cumbersome?

Who the hell wants a device that is a pain in the butt to use? You seem to be adopting the very RIM attitude I complained about which is that RIM decided that a serious business minded person using seriously boring business software would want an equally seriously boring cumbersome UI.

THAT WAS WRONG.
It is the app selection that determines whether a device is for fun or serious purposes...
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WhySoBluePandaBear

Sep 18, 2013, 2:25 AM
T Bone said:
The problem for RIM is the market for smartphones changed, smartphones used to be a tool used by adults at their jobs to get work done. The iPhone changed it so that smartphones are now toys for children to play with. They continued to make serious work tools, when no one wanted to use smartphones for work, only for play. THAT is the problem.



But Android and iPhone demonstrated that you didn't have to CHOOSE between work and play - you can have BOTH.


Again, Blackberry ****ed up and they know it. Just let them go away in peace.
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DarkStar

Sep 17, 2013, 2:24 PM
How is google untrustworthy? How is Apple smug & elitist. And how is Microsoft not reliable. Have you ever even used a Windows Phone 8?
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Rusty Shackleford

Sep 18, 2013, 1:17 AM
You question Google's untrustworthiness? This company stockpiles personal information upon people and goes out of its way to ensure it is difficult to erase. For example, I keep my phone clean because it has such little memory I can't even view my picture albums at times so I wipe the cache from everything. With web browsers it can be setup automatically, yet when I go to Google and enter a search phrase my previous search queries are listed there. Why? Obviously that is coming from Google's systems somewhere and not my phone. I find that a bit creepy especially when coming from a company with execs that pander fringy central-planning-loving politicians.

You question Apple being smug and elitist? Seriously? Apple is the only luxu...
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DarkStar

Sep 20, 2013, 9:04 PM
The government and credit agencies stockpile every tiny bit of information on you. What has Google done with that information to be untrustworthy? And just because you bought a cheap phone without memory don't blame Google.

As for the search history its pretty easy to go into your browser settings and delete that. If you don't want google keeping tabs of your search history use a different browser. But beware that your ISP has a history of everything you do on the internet.

Apple is smug and elitist because they are a better marketing company than any other? Their whole purpose in existance is to sell product. And they are great at doing that and that makes them smug and elists?

If Microsoft's reliability was as bad as you s...
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