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T-Mobile's LTE Network Now Covers 180M People

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Mostly marketing fluff

Pandemic187

Sep 13, 2013, 12:47 PM
Competition is great because it motivates businesses to continually improve. This can become a bit of a problem though, which is what we see with the wireless industry. It's SO competitive that carriers bend the truth on a regular basis.

I first started seeing this with my Galaxy S II T989, a device with no 4G hardware of which to speak, yet the TouchWiz UI shows a 4G icon whenever there is a data connection active. Apparently the carriers were legally allowed to do this, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a blatant lie.

Now we see this press release, which is basically more of the same. I do get LTE, but like Jayshmay, my coverage is unreliable and often I lose LTE completely. Sometimes my signal will be very weak to the po...
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Jayshmay

Sep 13, 2013, 2:14 PM
Hopefully as time goes by, the LTE signal will become as strong, and consistent as the HSPA+ signal.

I'm sure there was a time when HSPA+ wasn't as reliable as it is now.
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Pandemic187

Sep 13, 2013, 2:59 PM
And I'm fairly confident it will. But, to say they "cover" 180M people is misleading at best.
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DarkStar

Sep 13, 2013, 2:29 PM
Actually your Galaxy S II T989 absolutely has 4G.
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Pandemic187

Sep 13, 2013, 3:02 PM
Actually it absolutely, positively, 1000000% does not. The Skyrocket had it, but the T989 did not. I am not your average noob who knows nothing about the device I own(ed).

HSPA+ is not LTE, which is exactly what they'd like you to believe.
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DarkStar

Sep 13, 2013, 5:30 PM
I never said that the T898 had LTE. I said it has 4G. HSPA+ is 4G.
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Pandemic187

Sep 13, 2013, 5:44 PM
I see T-Mobile's lies worked on you. I'm sorry to break it to you man, but HSPA+ is, and has always been, 3G.
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DarkStar

Sep 13, 2013, 6:22 PM
Well I guess we need to start at the basics. What is 4G to you?

And then what is the actual definition of 4G and who determines it?
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Pandemic187

Sep 13, 2013, 8:23 PM
Look, this isn't a matter of what means what to who. It's a matter of actual definition. But, since you seem to think otherwise, I went and found the site that actually shows I'm correct. Here it is as shown by 3GPP, the group that defines the specifications:

http://www.3gpp.org/About-3GPP »

Scroll down a bit to the table entitled "The Generations of 3GPP Systems." There you go. In the table, clearly shown, is HSPA+ under the list of 3G standards.
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DarkStar

Sep 13, 2013, 9:47 PM
Wow you don't even read what you post do you? Do you even know what 3gpp stands for? "The 3rd Generation Partnership Program" Not the 4th. In that article you posted it says the scope of their program was to prduce Technical Specifications and technical reports for a 3G mobile system based on GSM. It evolved to the maintainance of that system.

The actual entity that determines what 3g is and what 4g is, is the International Telecommunications Union-Radio communications sector. And they originally said that LTE Advanced and Wimax are "4G" but that regular LTE is not because it doesn't meet the speed requirements of 100mbps while moving. But they later relaxed what they call "4G" and allow regular LTE and HSPA+.
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Pandemic187

Sep 13, 2013, 10:30 PM
Ahh right. So, because the ITU succumbed to pressure from the carriers to allow their third-generation networks to be called 4G, it now magically IS 4G.

So, basically what we've done after all this is prove the point I made in my first post.
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DarkStar

Sep 13, 2013, 10:34 PM
Technically they succumbed to calling HSPA+ and LTE 4G. According to the original definition of 4G the carriers' LTE doesn't come close to being 4G. So you have proved you don't know one generation to the next.
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Pandemic187

Sep 13, 2013, 10:42 PM
Well, I'm done with this conversation. Evidently your sole motive is to try and sound like you are right than to have a constructive discussion. Good day, sir.
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DarkStar

Sep 14, 2013, 1:29 PM
So I win.n. Drooling

my job is to correct people who are wrong. Don't try and lie about HSPA+.

Especially when in good areas t-mobile's HSPA+ can reach up to 22mbps. If that isn't 4G then I don't know what is.
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insider.

Sep 14, 2013, 3:48 PM
Yes! The ITU is who decides this type of stuff. It doesn't matter what you or I think or what the carriers think. The ITU decides what can be referred to as what in advertising, media, print,and specifications and they decided years ago that HSPA+ and LTE = "4G".

Can we move on now? You OK with that?
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muchdrama

Sep 13, 2013, 8:33 PM
DarkStar said:
Well I guess we need to start at the basics. What is 4G to you?

And then what is the actual definition of 4G and who determines it?


You're posting on these forums and you don't know what 4G is? Geezus.

4G as in 'Fourth Generation'.

HSPA+ is a Third Generation tech--hence the '3G' moniker.
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DarkStar

Sep 13, 2013, 9:48 PM
Uh no. HSPA is 3G. HSPA+ is 4G. Look up the ITU. They are who determines what is 4G and what is not.
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muchdrama

Sep 14, 2013, 12:12 AM
DarkStar said:
Uh no. HSPA is 3G. HSPA+ is 4G. Look up the ITU. They are who determines what is 4G and what is not.


"HSPA+ is an evolution of HSPA that upgrades the existing 3G network and provides a method for telecom operators to migrate towards 4G speeds without deploying a new radio interface."

It's nothing more than '3.5G' at best.
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DarkStar

Sep 14, 2013, 1:33 PM
According to the ITU LTE and Wimax and HSPA+ are 4G

http://www.phonearena.com/news/ITU-says-LTE-WiMax-an ... »
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Tofuchong

Sep 14, 2013, 1:54 PM
There we go. There you have it.

HSPA+ IS 4G.
Hopefully this shuts people up who say it isn't.
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johnhr2

Sep 14, 2013, 8:47 PM
My biggest complaint is that my phone calls HSPA and HSPA+ 4G, so I have to go to about phone to know which network it is. I think they should be required to tell you the difference.
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DarkStar

Sep 14, 2013, 10:26 PM
That I can't argue with. There is totally a difference between hspa+ and hspa.
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muchdrama

Sep 14, 2013, 9:42 PM
DarkStar said:
According to the ITU LTE and Wimax and HSPA+ are 4G

http://www.phonearena.com/news/ITU-says-LTE-WiMax-an ... »

So they CHANGED the definition--I don't give a crap what they call it. HSPA+ was just a stop-gap to true 4G.
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DarkStar

Sep 14, 2013, 10:26 PM
Don't you understand. LTE isn't true 4G either. LTE is just a stop-gap to true 4G as well.
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muchdrama

Sep 14, 2013, 11:06 PM
DarkStar said:
Don't you understand. LTE isn't true 4G either. LTE is just a stop-gap to true 4G as well.


Geezus. I give up. Enjoy your 3.5G.
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DarkStar

Sep 14, 2013, 11:34 PM
Just like you'll be enjoying your 3.5G. You just can't understand something that simple can you?
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muchdrama

Sep 14, 2013, 9:43 PM
DarkStar said:
According to the ITU LTE and Wimax and HSPA+ are 4G





So they CHANGED the definition--I don't give a crap what they call it. HSPA+ was just a stop-gap to true 4G.
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