T-Mobile Considers Sale of US Unit

I would venture to guess that the story was true. And that this is more of a spin control. They need to keep the profits, or lack there of rolling in...paniced customers jumping ship wouldn't be very good. How many times have you seen something like this leaked, only to have the company deny it. Then you see the company sell, 6-12 months down the road.

Rathrok said:
I would venture to guess that the story was true. And that this is more of a spin control. They need to keep the profits, or lack there of rolling in...paniced customers jumping ship wouldn't be very good. How many times have you seen something like this leaked, only to have the company deny it. Then you see the company sell, 6-12 months down the road.

Like Vodafone bidding on ATTWS while telling the rest of the world "we don't have the slightest interest". I thought that was amusing.

Like it's been said before on the forums...perhaps the reasoning behind vodaphone's bids were to simply drive up the price cingy had to pay....

Jldnr77 said:
Like it's been said before on the forums...perhaps the reasoning behind vodaphone's bids were to simply drive up the price cingy had to pay....

Or Vodafone really wanted ATTWS. Besides, how does driving up the price through a bidding war benefit Vodafone when Cingular eventually came out on top?

we already went through this...

paying 30 billion and paying 49 billion (with the assumption of 8 billion in debt) is a big increase. 19 billion dollars of additional funds is a lot of money. something that cingular could have used by buying spectrum, building its network, and building out towers etc... this way vodaphone did a great job and a favor to the other carriers by making CINGULAR PAYYY a lot of money for att wireless....

again, vzw is more profitable then cing/att combined. so why would voda want to buy out att wireless and had to sell its stake in vzw? doesnt make sense to me...

cingular had to pay 49 billion dollars vs the 30 billion... how is that "on top" as you claim? yes its more money but its a lot more money that ...
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nextel18 said:
we already went through this...

paying 30 billion and paying 49 billion (with the assumption of 8 billion in debt) is a big increase. 19 billion dollars of additional funds is a lot of money. something that cingular could have used by buying spectrum, building its network, and building out towers etc... this way vodaphone did a great job and a favor to the other carriers by making CINGULAR PAYYY a lot of money for att wireless....

again, vzw is more profitable then cing/att combined. so why would voda want to buy out att wireless and had to sell its stake in vzw? doesnt make sense to me...

cingular had to pay 49 billion dollars vs the 30 billion... how is that "on top" as you claim? yes its more m

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"Thus; AT&T Wireless is better than Verizon considering it's technological value to Vodaphone."

lol.. yea right.

whose more profitable? verizon.

who has better spectrum? verizon

who has high speed data? verizon

come on now..

the rest of the opinions are pretty sound.

ATT was testing WCDMA long before verizon launched EVDO.

I dunno if we will see Vodafone buy Tmo or not.... seems to me it would be to much of a project, but then again Vodafone is like the largest wireless carrier in the world!

yea, thats ok.. but att wireless is no verizon and tmobile is no verizon. the point is, the problem with tmobile is that they dont have anything going for them..

1. lack of 3g spectrum
2. lack of 3g network
3. lack of nationwide footprint that is actually a strong one like the other carriers
4. 18 million vs 45 million so they are losing that battle.

i understand that whole voda wants a gsm carrier, but why tmobile? they are terrible. they have so many cons going on they possibly should just divest some assets into cingular or just slowly dissapear. its not worth anyone buying them, why do you think DT wont invest in them and are trying to sell them?

its just bad for voda if they were to buy them.

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Why T-Mobile? Are you honestly that close-minded?

They want T-Mobile because it is their last shot at a national GSM carrier. It is the cheapest option for them to attain a GSM network here, no matter how you look at it. Building an entirely new network would be impossible. Buying a company with a different technology would be more costly than T-Mobile itself to upgrade to GSM.

Vodaphone is number 1, they aren't stupid enough to pass up their last opportunity at a US presence.

Let me ask you, what do you think it will cost them to buy Sprint-Nextel (if that even happens) and then upgrade that entire network to GSM and UMTS? More than it would to buy T-Mobile. You are truly not brilliant.

RUFF1415 said:
Why T-Mobile? Are you honestly that close-minded?

They want T-Mobile because it is their last shot at a national GSM carrier. It is the cheapest option for them to attain a GSM network here, no matter how you look at it. Building an entirely new network would be impossible. Buying a company with a different technology would be more costly than T-Mobile itself to upgrade to GSM.

Vodaphone is number 1, they aren't stupid enough to pass up their last opportunity at a US presence.

Let me ask you, what do you think it will cost them to buy Sprint-Nextel (if that even happens) and then upgrade that entire network to GSM and UMTS? More than it would to buy T-Mobile. You are truly not brillian

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awww.. i feel bad for you...

they could always get nextel/sprint if they wanted too a more profitable company then tmobile.

aww thanks.. you arent either 🙂

Ha, why do you feel bad for me? I'm not the one that is a close-minded fool. 😳 Don't you worry about me.

RUFF1415 said:
Ha, why do you feel bad for me? I'm not the one that is a close-minded fool. 😳 Don't you worry about me.

One must have a mind before one can close it...

Al_Swearengen said:

RUFF1415 said:
Ha, why do you feel bad for me? I'm not the one that is a close-minded fool. 😳 Don't you worry about me.

One must have a mind before one can close it...

This is very true. 🤣

Actually, you are close-minded, because I am taking the pros and cons and you are dismissing them and keep saying something like "well tmobile is a gsm carrier and voda wants that". WHO CARES IF IT IS GSM? It is all about profitability and it only matters if it can be added to voda's bottom line. No one knows if voda will obtain an ROI on it, because DT did not. That is it! Tmobile needs to do so many upgrades it’s not even funny and not even worth it. DT does not even want to keep them, and that is quite sad.

nextel18 said:
Actually, you are close-minded, because I am taking the pros and cons and you are dismissing them and keep saying something like "well tmobile is a gsm carrier and voda wants that". WHO CARES IF IT IS GSM? It is all about profitability and it only matters if it can be added to voda's bottom line. No one knows if voda will obtain an ROI on it, because DT did not. That is it! Tmobile needs to do so many upgrades it’s not even funny and not even worth it. DT does not even want to keep them, and that is quite sad.

1. I am not dismissing your pros and cons, they are all valid points, but not ones that are going to sway Vodafone to look one way or the other. There are so many ways that Voda coul...
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nextel18 said:
we already went through this...

paying 30 billion and paying 49 billion (with the assumption of 8 billion in debt) is a big increase. 19 billion dollars of additional funds is a lot of money. something that cingular could have used by buying spectrum, building its network, and building out towers etc... this way vodaphone did a great job and a favor to the other carriers by making CINGULAR PAYYY a lot of money for att wireless....

again, vzw is more profitable then cing/att combined. so why would voda want to buy out att wireless and had to sell its stake in vzw? doesnt make sense to me...

cingular had to pay 49 billion dollars vs the 30 billion... how is that "on top" as you claim? yes its more m

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wronggg.....

by the way i quoted things from links etc.. while you just say blah blah blah lol..

nextel18 said:
wronggg.....

by the way i quoted things from links etc.. while you just say blah blah blah lol..

HEY! Got your attention? Good, little boy. Now go read the big article that Rich just wrote in regards to Vodafone bidding fiercely for ATTWS a couple of years ago. I know you like to ignore the obvious, but hey!...it's right there on the front page in big black font just for you.

That wouldn't make sense, as Cingular and Vodafone are more likely to become attached at the hips than fierce competitors (Cingular has no foreign markets, Vodafone only has VZW). Cingular and Vodafone are probably close roaming partners.

yea.. thats what i think...

it was at 30 billion and they paid 41 billion plus 8 billion in debt. thus; they paid about 11 billion more dollars if u dont include debt or 19 billion more dollars ir you do include debt. anyway, cingular had to pay a lot more money then they intended.

thus; voda did a great job...

I don't think Cingular has a problem with the price they paid.

I'm happy with Cingular's acquisition of AT&T Wireless.

Thus; Thank you Vodaphone. 🙂

of course they had a problem. they waisted money on a terrible company..

yea, thank you vodaphone for making them waist more money while other companies wont be spending that much...

nextel18 said:
of course they had a problem. they waisted money on a terrible company..

yea, thank you vodaphone for making them waist more money while other companies wont be spending that much...

Buddy, they wanted the spectrum. That's it. Period.

Okay, I take back the comment about being optimistic. AT&T was definitely NOT a horrible company. And the price Cingular paid was worth every penny.