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Top message:  Farwell Beep Beep by MadFatMan   Jun 29, 2013, 9:45 AM

Replying to:  Re: Dude by Zpike   Jul 3, 2013, 12:06 AM

Re: Dude

by cellphonesaretools    Jul 3, 2013, 1:54 AM

I do agree with several of your points in the long diatribe you posted above (timestamped 07/02/2013 at 10:06 PM), but given that you've also misinterpreted and twisted some things out or proportion, I can't let those things pass without correction:

re: "All I have assigned to you is what you have said. Excuse me if it doesn't make sense."
>>>Wrong, and here's the proof of that:

Misinterpretation #1:
ME: "Back in Nextel's heyday, most other cell-phones had no speakerphone capability..."
YOU: "To suggest that cellphone manufacturers borrowed the idea of a speakerphone (which existed long before Nextel) from Nextel is ridiculous, if not uninformed."
>>>>>Say what? How did you make THAT leap? That leap was YOU assigning your own, demonstrably incorrect, wording to ME, plain as day.

Misinterpretation #2:
ME: "Yes, speakerphones were common on landlines at the time, but not common on most cellphones in the early 2000s (which was Nextel's heyday). I had plenty of friends & relatives with flip-phones & bar-phones on Verizon, ATT and T-Mo that did NOT have speakerphone capability, whereas ALL Nextels had it, owing to the PTT feature if nothing else."
YOU: "Weren't you implying that after Nextel's decline other manufacturers started borrowing the idea and mainstreamed it? Even if you weren't implying that, what you're saying is still based on the premise that speakerphone technology wasn't widely available. But it actually was very common, and you refuse to recognize that."
>>>Again, Say What? How did you make THAT leap? Show me exactly where I said that other manufacturers "borrowed the speakerphone idea from Nextel and mainstreamed it" (your words). I never said Nextel was first, or that anyone else "borrowed" anything from Nextel. Also, I said that most others I knew did not have speakerphone capability—I did not say there were no other cellphones with speakerphones. So yes, I agree with you that there were other cellphones with speakerphones in the 2002-2005 timeframe, but still, they were not on 100% of all models like Nextel's phones had. You are the one hanging your hat on the fact that the Razr had speakerphone, but you are ignoring the fact that the Razr was introduced very late in 2004, and thus you're ignoring the possibility that your point of comparison is a point in time effectively after the period I specified (i.e. my family/friends/colleagues had phones designed & purchased before 2005, compared to your Razr, which was effectively the very latest phone at the time, and effectively covers 2005-on).

But wait, there's more:
YOU: "Nextel's decline wasn't that rapid. "
>>>> From the Wall Street Journal, October 2006 (slightly more than a year after Sprint took the reigns):
"The stock price has fallen more than 30% since the deal closed in August 2005. But since then, Sprint Nextel has been losing ground. Millions of its cellphone subscribers have defected to competitors.
source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1160483675240 88013.html
Are you saying that "losing millions of customers" in slightly over a year is not a rapid decline?

Everything I said was true, based on my experiences with family, friends, business colleagues, and observations in the real world during near-constant business travel, and I stand by it. I observed Nextel users utilizing their speakerphone capability very, very frequently in public spaces, from airports to restaurants to doctors offices to the workspace, and during that same time frame (again, circa 2002-2005), I rarely observed non-Nextel users utilizing speakerphones in public spaces. All of my coworkers (running the gamut of Verizon, AT&T, T-Mo, Sprint) had cellphones, but I never saw a single one of them using speakerphone, and in fact during business meetings on the road, they always requested that I use my Nextel i55sr as the group's speakerphone for teleconference meetings (incidentally, my engineering colleagues preferred my Nextel's speakerphone performance to even the fancy Polycom conference-room speakerphones that many companies had at that time). Many of my close friends & relatives would on occasion ask me to help them either "set up" their new phones, or help them back out of a configuration setting that they accidentally got into on their existing phones. I can't recall seeing any speakerphone capability on any of their phones back in the early 2000s. That does not mean, and I did not say nor did I imply, that only Nextel had speakerphones—I just said MOST of the people I knew did not, AT THAT TIME, have speakerphones on their phones.

If your experience was different, so be it. I have accurately summarized my observations during those years, and you can either accept them as true or not, that's your right. I've set the record straight above, WRT your misinterpretations & accusations, and no one wants to read any more of this type of drivel.

Thank you for the challenges & the discourse, but at this point I think the civil, considerate thing to do is call a truce. Neither of us is going to convince the other of anything different than what we already believe, so let's put this one behind us and move on to more productive use of time, and spare the other readers from what amounts to nothing more than a difference in our individual experiences & our resulting opinions based on those different experiences.

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