Supreme Court Says Local Towns Can't Hold Up Cell Towers
Good!!!
People are way too anal about cell towers. T-Mobile is tryingto iincrease coverage, but these anal small towns are holding up wireless progress!
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I read some where (its been a while so I don't have the source) that some county and towns had laws that basically promoted monopoly by simply stating that they forbid building of new cell towers if it wasn't for expanding the wireless coverage of the existing wireless provider.
Basically blocking all new wireless providers from entering the town, or county. I am glad for this legislation, as long as towers aren't visible in National Parks or visible in historic areas I have no problem having towers visible or all over the city to improve coverage or reliability.
Basically blocking all new wireless providers from entering the town, or county. I am glad for this legislation, as long as towers aren't visible in National Parks or visible in historic areas I have no problem having towers visible or all over the city to improve coverage or reliability.
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When I was in Hawaii (I think it was Hawaii, defiantely somewhere tropical)
They had an AWESOME idea to make cell towers camoflauged (sp?), so that they can be in plain sight, and you would never know it is actuially a cell tower. I remember seeing one that was pretty much a synthetic palm tree, and I saw another one that was a Cactus, and there was no way to tell unless you were staring directly at them or touching them. Amazing idea.
They had an AWESOME idea to make cell towers camoflauged (sp?), so that they can be in plain sight, and you would never know it is actuially a cell tower. I remember seeing one that was pretty much a synthetic palm tree, and I saw another one that was a Cactus, and there was no way to tell unless you were staring directly at them or touching them. Amazing idea.
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yea they have towers like that in many areas around here. (as well as other places in the country) its a great idea. home values wont drop and it kind of looks nice.
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Yes the home values will still drop. Do you want to live next to a cell tower that is going to give you cancer?
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Cell technology has come along way since the days of analog. Digital technology has allowed the engineering of cell towers to get quite creative for disquise. They can be hidden in barns, made to look like flag poles, they can be strapped to buildings and water towers and made to look like trees.
Lake George, NY provisioned a cell tower to blend in with the Adirondack scenery. Nextel built the cell tower to mimic an Adirondack Pine Tree.
It is called "Frankenpine".
John B.
Lake George, NY provisioned a cell tower to blend in with the Adirondack scenery. Nextel built the cell tower to mimic an Adirondack Pine Tree.
It is called "Frankenpine".
John B.
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haha yes that is awesome. I have seen some towers in the city camouflaged like Trees very neat.
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As long as they arent doing anything to the location they are building the towers in I see no reason why they shouldnt be able to. For example in National parks like cutting down tree's or causing any type of environmental impact would be reasons not to expand tower build in said locations.
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I disagree but agree.
I agree:
so that companies can continue to provide great service, and to expand both capacity and coverage
disagree:
it is very harmful those RF waves, but it also devalues the town or cities' home values.
They won't allow towers in this area as its a very exclusive one. Same in many towns here in MA. Do i like it? yea because it makes our town worth more.. Plus also, i still get great coverage.
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I agree:
so that companies can continue to provide great service, and to expand both capacity and coverage
disagree:
it is very harmful those RF waves, but it also devalues the town or cities' home values.
They won't allow towers in this area as its a very exclusive one. Same in many towns here in MA. Do i like it? yea because it makes our town worth more.. Plus also, i still get great coverage.
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I have never understood why people care if their land becomes worth less over time because like my parents says "the less the government thinks my land is worth they less taxes I will be force to pay on it."
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because as a home owner, we care about our town's value and other things. i dont care if i have to pay more taxes as long as the value of the house goes higher and higher.. in this area, prices are always high and steady.
if properties become worth less over a time, people wont come to the place then everyone will leave and then it will be problematic for the town's fiscal and financial ways.
if properties become worth less over a time, people wont come to the place then everyone will leave and then it will be problematic for the town's fiscal and financial ways.
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I see no sense in that what so ever, it seems so counter intuitive but I will agree to disagree with you.
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It is common sense.... if people flock, money will follow. If money leaves the town becomes obsolete. if home values go down, foreclosure might be in order given the up side down on many homes. if they tapped their HELOC then that is even a bigger problem.
All of those problems= less taxes.
taxes= paying for schools etc...
shouldnt be that far fetched.
All of those problems= less taxes.
taxes= paying for schools etc...
shouldnt be that far fetched.
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I grew up on a farm so owning 2,000 acres is a big expense due to taxes, so I agree with my dad let cell towers on or next to our property because the tower won't effect the Yield at all and we pay less taxes.
I understand taxes = school, roads (but sometimes county roads are a joke so farmers take care of them), police etc.
But if a little perceived devaluation happens to an area like a tower goes up without camouflaged, due to restraints, or old towers haven't been camouflaged. The building didn't get all of a sudden weaken or the appeal is all of a sudden destroyed because the the area was view to be devalued.
I rather have a tower in my backyard , lower land value and lower taxes and have coverage than, have no towers no c ...
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I understand taxes = school, roads (but sometimes county roads are a joke so farmers take care of them), police etc.
But if a little perceived devaluation happens to an area like a tower goes up without camouflaged, due to restraints, or old towers haven't been camouflaged. The building didn't get all of a sudden weaken or the appeal is all of a sudden destroyed because the the area was view to be devalued.
I rather have a tower in my backyard , lower land value and lower taxes and have coverage than, have no towers no c ...
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"I rather have a tower in my backyard , lower land value and lower taxes and have coverage than, have no towers no coverage and higher taxes."
wow I highly disagree with you on this. the FCC can always raise the RF power output of a tower and put them on buildings like apartments and the like or your favorite food joint.
In this country, devaluation is something that home owners dont want. More importantly, less taxes equal less everything. Police, fire, schools etc.. (your point on roads is kind of lame because you need to drive on them to get where you are going. It is quite an expense to drive an expensive car over an awful road. and other things)
Anyway, in our town and some exclusive ones here, we havnt had towers in years. I...
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wow I highly disagree with you on this. the FCC can always raise the RF power output of a tower and put them on buildings like apartments and the like or your favorite food joint.
In this country, devaluation is something that home owners dont want. More importantly, less taxes equal less everything. Police, fire, schools etc.. (your point on roads is kind of lame because you need to drive on them to get where you are going. It is quite an expense to drive an expensive car over an awful road. and other things)
Anyway, in our town and some exclusive ones here, we havnt had towers in years. I...
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How is my point on county roads lame when farmers in my county have to plow snow on our roads because the county won't do it. All the gravel roads in this county are mostly maintained by the farmers because we have to use them and the county won't spend money on them because they want to repave the main highway every year, which I wouldn't care so much about if they didn't neglect the county gravel roads us farmers (the people who probably pay the most taxes due to owning over 75% of the land) need to use every day.
Secondly I hate higher and higher and higher rise of value on land. I would be happy if it would stay flat, but it won't due to several factors. I am not saying lets have land devalue year over year, because yes that i...
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Secondly I hate higher and higher and higher rise of value on land. I would be happy if it would stay flat, but it won't due to several factors. I am not saying lets have land devalue year over year, because yes that i...
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local government can communicate regardless. they have sat phones if they like and radios. they dont need to build 5 towers in a radius of a town to get signal.
You obviously live in the county where there are all farmers. if i was a farmer i would never ever allow for a tower to be in my land.
That's why i like this country because people can say whatever they want and voice their opinion.
We both disagree, but can still see positive and negatives.
with this issue, though, there are more negatives than positives.
You obviously live in the county where there are all farmers. if i was a farmer i would never ever allow for a tower to be in my land.
That's why i like this country because people can say whatever they want and voice their opinion.
We both disagree, but can still see positive and negatives.
with this issue, though, there are more negatives than positives.
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There are parts of are land that are unfarmable, because they are on top of the hill and it is usually all rock and its hard to grow crop there so we let carriers put towers up. Because for a year or two the land gets devalued (if we are lucky sometimes it goes on for 3-5 years but that rarely happens anymore) then the land value begins to rise again. So towers for us devalue the land for a few years (recently it hasn't) but then it rises.
I actually like it because now even in the most rural part of the county we still have coverage, for which I am thankful for. We can probably get them camoflaged but it probably won't happen just for the simple fact that the towers also act as a lighting rod to (we have actually had less lightning stri...
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I actually like it because now even in the most rural part of the county we still have coverage, for which I am thankful for. We can probably get them camoflaged but it probably won't happen just for the simple fact that the towers also act as a lighting rod to (we have actually had less lightning stri...
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I agree with that point, but there are some of us majority of us, who care about their value of their homes since they put a lot of money into it or took a lot of money out of it. majority of the houses are actually up side down... since, houses are the USA's majority of the wealth, they dont want to see the "nest egg" go down because of the devalue of putting up a tower or the risk of RF cancer related situations. It is sort of like the debate over having a nuclear reactor or powerplant or grid in your backyard. we need it right? but a lot of people wont 1. live near one. or 2. have one within a 30 mile radius.
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Number one there is no risk of RF cancer. That isn't a thing. It is non-ionizing so there is no cancer risk. Second, zero cellphone coverage in an area nowadays devalues property because everyone uses a cellphone.
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Forbid someone be the voice of reason here, All you hear about is "Home values this, home values that"
When the next person (someone of my generation) goes to buy a house, we will not purchase if our phones do not work there, plain and simple. Once that happens guess what's going to happen? The value is going to tank since nobody wants to buy there.
When the next person (someone of my generation) goes to buy a house, we will not purchase if our phones do not work there, plain and simple. Once that happens guess what's going to happen? The value is going to tank since nobody wants to buy there.
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All this talk about cellular technology and cancer doesn't make any sense at all to me.
Martin Cooper, the Father of the cellphone, has been using cellular technology longer than anyone in history,...and yet he's still alive, ...and apears to be quite healthy. And he's well above the age of 80.
Martin Cooper, the Father of the cellphone, has been using cellular technology longer than anyone in history,...and yet he's still alive, ...and apears to be quite healthy. And he's well above the age of 80.
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Why would people live if land values are devalued. Wouldn't all land everywhere in the us get devalued because of cellphone towers. So the ratio between your land and neighboring land stays the same but you pay less taxes and people won't leave.
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I don't think you get the point. In an ideal world our taxes go to police, fire, schools, etc. But in the world we actually live in the government makes way too much money and spends on the important things way too little. So the governent making less money doesn't matter since the money doesn't go to where it is needed anyways.
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And the ironic thing is that the very people who complain about 'declining property values' are often the same ones who fight the local or state government because they think it was evaluated as being too valuable and they are being charged too much in property taxes!
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Personally, I consider a home, a place to take my socks & shoes off, a place where is peace & solitude, from the outside world, . . .not an "investment",. . .that's greedy slug talk.
People whose motive in life is love pass their house on to family, people whose motive is "$" think about how much profit they can make off a home.
People whose motive in life is love pass their house on to family, people whose motive is "$" think about how much profit they can make off a home.
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I think its more of an investment than you, but hey i am different. lots of people think its an investment because they can tap their HELOCs when needed.
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still our towns and many cities in our area will not have cell phone towers and i know the SP disagrees but that's life. It won't happen in our exclusive areas.
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I will laugh if it does, because to be honest the supreme court doesn't care what your towns ordinances are...
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Supreme Court rulings can always be appealed. there can be massive rallies at the construction site or our congressmen could be notified. we havnt had a tower in our town for over 4+ years by any carrier. in some exclusive towns in our area there havnt been 1 tower in 10 years. I dont think an SPC action will dictate that. If it will, towns will fight it regardless.
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Gosh, I can't wait til older people are phased out, and people who truly embrace, and appreciate the ubiquitous proliferation of wireless technology are all that there is in this world.
Nearly 30% of Americans are cellphone only now.
I haven't had a landline since like 2001 or 2002.
Nearly 30% of Americans are cellphone only now.
I haven't had a landline since like 2001 or 2002.
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Yea, fight it as you want but I mean if the Supreme Court and the gov't says it's a good thing it must be right... When is our gov't ever wrong or biased???? lol But seriously, I do support their ruling in this matter
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Settngs question!: I'm trying to find the setting for if I'm away from my phone, and there's a missed call, the very moment I pick it up, it vibrates...I can't find that setting, yes, I looked in Call Settings...
Settngs question!: I'm trying to find the setting for if I'm away from my phone, and there's a missed call, the very moment I pick it up, it vibrates...I can't find that setting, yes, I looked in Call Settings...
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Jayshmay said:
I have a Galaxy S4 question for you.
Settngs question!: I'm trying to find the setting for if I'm away from my phone, and there's a missed call, the very moment I pick it up, it vibrates...I can't find that setting, yes, I looked in Call Settings...
I'm looking, give me a few
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Your mobile device supports a feature called Smart Alert. Smart Alert is a motion gesture that will cause your device to vibrate when you pick it up and when notifications, such as missed calls or new messages, are waiting.
You can turn on this feature in the motion settings menu. From the Home screen, touch Menu > Settings > My device > Motions and gestures > Motion. Touch the slider to turn Motion on , if not already turned on. Touch the slider to turn Smart alert on .
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You can turn on this feature in the motion settings menu. From the Home screen, touch Menu > Settings > My device > Motions and gestures > Motion. Touch the slider to turn Motion on , if not already turned on. Touch the slider to turn Smart alert on .
There you go 🙂 😉
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Jayshmay said:
People are way too anal about cell towers. T-Mobile is tryingto iincrease coverage, but these anal small towns are holding up wireless progress!
I have seen and heard on countless occassions people from upscale neighborhoods pissing and moaning like little children why their phones have no reception where they live. Then their local town does not want an obtrusive eye-sore cell-towers near or in their town thinking they are going to get some sort of cancer. From the sound of it, brain cancer already exists there.
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Hopefully this Supreme Court ruling will help T-Mobile put up new towers, cell towers can be masked quite easily, painted to be the same color as a building, made to look like an evergreen tree or palm tree.
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Cell towers can also be masked as evergreen trees.
And in downtown Hartford, there are antennas painted the same color as the building. Hmm, excuses are disappearing rapidly.
And in downtown Hartford, there are antennas painted the same color as the building. Hmm, excuses are disappearing rapidly.
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i can tell you, living in an upscale neighborhood, we dont want towers in this area nor the other areas and thats why the towers were struct down... Unless, they were in trees like the ones i have pasted in a few of the posts here... That's what was discussed during the meetings. They didnt want to do it, because that method is actually more expensive, and the carriers didnt want to do that. Plus they wanted us to subsidize some of the costs, which is pathetic.
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Nope, government, regardless a small town or federal, shouldn't be subsidizing any company.
A customers desire to buy a companies services & products, that's what should pay for a company expanding.
A customers desire to buy a companies services & products, that's what should pay for a company expanding.
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Jayshmay said:
People are way too anal about cell towers. T-Mobile is tryingto iincrease coverage, but these anal small towns are holding up wireless progress!
Lebensraum?
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Dude, your vocabulary is too big for me, what the hecK does this "Lebensraum" mean?????
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I saw, thanks, ...just gotta test it, see if it vibrates upon picking it up after a missed call.
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T-Mobile is the ONE carrier who NEEDS to expand the most. So yes!
Speaking of T-Mobile, yesterday, I ported my number over, so I am now officially in the Tmobile era.
Speaking of T-Mobile, yesterday, I ported my number over, so I am now officially in the Tmobile era.
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Hows it working out for you?? Use them with my Nexus 4, been pretty happy with them so far. And you're right about needing to expand towers.
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I borrowed a MyTouch 4G from a friend who now uses a Note 2 to do a test drive on T-Mobile's network.
I live in Connecticut now, moved back to my home state!
Really the only place I've run into problems is I was working at a post in Willimantic, 2G only, updating took an eternity!!!
Having 2G in 2013 is absolutely shameful!!!
But I live in New Britain, very solid coverage here, Im in my room right now, and have full bars of 4G.
heard their working on putting up LTE in Bridgeport, Stamford, and Hartford.
I live in Connecticut now, moved back to my home state!
Really the only place I've run into problems is I was working at a post in Willimantic, 2G only, updating took an eternity!!!
Having 2G in 2013 is absolutely shameful!!!
But I live in New Britain, very solid coverage here, Im in my room right now, and have full bars of 4G.
heard their working on putting up LTE in Bridgeport, Stamford, and Hartford.
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