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which Cities?

TinyJ316

May 25, 2005, 4:27 PM
Does anyone know if Metro Detroit will be one of these 12-20 cities?
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brasco57

May 25, 2005, 4:52 PM
Metro Detroit is one of the top 5 wireless markets in the U.S. and will probably be one of the first to launch. 😉
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judog2g

May 26, 2005, 9:00 AM
My guess: NY/NJ (I love living here)
Atlanta
LA
Chicago
Miami
Dallas
Philly
Houston
Boston
DC
Seattle
St. Louis
Memphis
Detroit
San Fran(Bay Area)
This is not base off of facts. Just my opinion.
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adilus

May 26, 2005, 9:03 AM
I would remove St. Louis from that list.

Also, you forgot Phoenix. ATTWS had already began to rollout UMTS there before the merge so that is a dead giveaway. That and the fact that Maricopa county in AZ has like 12 million people and deployments are based largely on population density.
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Jldnr77

May 26, 2005, 11:29 AM
Why would you remove St. Louis??? It's one of the bigger metropolitan areas in america....And when you count all the outlying counties right around St. Louis, we have a pretty big population density.
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mattm745

May 26, 2005, 2:50 PM
I'm not too sure on the statistics, but Phoenix is probably bigger than St.Louis.. and I wouldn't be surprised if St.Louis wasn't on the list.
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adilus

May 27, 2005, 7:24 AM
What compared to Phoenix? You're outta your mind. Phoenix just took over number 4 on the largest cities list from Philadelphia and Houston with a population of 1.9 million people (but not officially as per the 2000 US Census, there its still listed as number 6). Also, Phoenix has 8 suburbs of 100,000 or more people: Chandler, Gilbert, Glendale, Mesa, Peoria, Phoenix, Scottsdale and Tempe. And Maricopa county itself has nearly 3.8 million people.

On comparison St. Louis in the 2000 census registered in at only 348,149 people where its only number 49 on the list. Actually while researching these numbers I discovered that people are leaving St. Louis. The estimated current population is down like 25,000 people.

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Jldnr77

May 30, 2005, 10:04 AM
I don't really care about the suburbs of phoenix, because you seem to be forgetting about the suburbs of st. louis. Does that information about people leaving st. louis account for anything outside the main city limits??? Yeah, people may be leaving the main city, but they are settling in the outlying suburbs and counties. St. Louis is a whole metropolitan area...not just a little city.
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adilus

May 30, 2005, 11:30 AM
How can you say you don't care about the suburbs of Phoenix when you bring up the suburbs of St. Louis?

Ok here are the numbers... again
St. Louis: 332,223
MO: 5,704,484

Phoenix: 1,321,045
Mesa: 396,375
Tempe: 158,635
Scottsdale: 202,705
Gilbert: 109,697

And so on...

So unless St. Louis has some pretty big suburbs, you are not even gonna touch Phoenix area... Like I said, Mesa itself, which is technicall a suberb is bigger than St. Louis. I didn't include the total population of AZ because besides the Flagstaff, Phoenix, Tucson, Huma areas, its basically desert. As for the numbers of the suberbs of St. Louis, it doesn't say. What I did find is that St Louis is shrinking.

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Jldnr77

May 30, 2005, 2:41 PM
Great way to avoid EVERYTHING I said in the previous post. I said I don't care about the suburbs of phoenix because you DON'T SEEM TO CARE about the suburbs of st. louis. 323,223??? Yeah, INSIDE CITY LIMITS!!!! The actual city of st. louis is pretty damn small, comprised primarily of businesses...however, there are about 5+ outlying COUNTIES that are all considered part of the main st. louis area. Numbers will lie to you everytime, man.
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adilus

May 30, 2005, 6:12 PM
You're a cheeky twit. Why don't you do some research... huh? I've been in a lot of big cities... I'm from London (a whopping 18 million there) I live in Philly (another 1.4 mill city limits, 12 million if you include Bucks, Montgomery, Chester, Lehigh, and Delaware), my family is from Munich (about 6 mill there) and I'm moving to Phoenix which is another a couple of million people. I've traveled to St. Louis back in 2002 when the Rams played the Eagles and I will tell you this. Physically speaking, its nowhere near the size of the cities that I have visited or have lived in and its definately no Philly or Phoenix. As for your blurb about the suburbs, the problem I ran into was it didn't list any whereas for Philly and Phoenix it does, w...
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adilus

May 30, 2005, 6:23 PM
Ok, I found this on Wikipedia:

The Saint Louis Metropolitan Statistical Area, the 18th largest in the United States (population: 2,603,607), includes Saint Louis County (1,016,315), the independent City of Saint Louis (348,189), the Missouri counties of Saint Charles (283,883), Jefferson (198,099), Franklin (93,807), Lincoln (38,944) and Warren (24,525), and the Illinois counties of Madison (258,941), Saint Clair (256,082), Clinton (35,535), Monroe (27,619) and Jersey (21,66😎.

Cities in the Saint Louis MO-IL MSA include numerous municipalities (suburbs) in Saint Louis County, as well as St. Charles (population: 60,321) and Saint Peters (51,381) in Missouri, and Alton (30,496), Granite City (31,301), East Saint Louis (31,542) and Belle...
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Stevo2k4

May 31, 2005, 6:10 PM
No need for all that, adilus.

If you were looking to win the debate, you had check-mate about 4 moves (posts) ago... 😛
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adilus

Jun 1, 2005, 8:06 PM
Now Steve... you know how I post... Arsehole 90% of time, cheeky tosser the rest.

But to hear how St. Louis, of all the bloody places, can compare to Phoenix was just ballocks. I was in St. Louis a couple of years back for the NFC Championship game and it is nowhere near in size compared to Phoenix which is bloody HUGE!!!! Wow... I was just there for a couple of weeks and well, wow... I thought I was back in LA.
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muchdrama

Jun 2, 2005, 8:10 AM
adilus said:
Now Steve... you know how I post... Arsehole 90% of time, cheeky tosser the rest.

But to hear how St. Louis, of all the bloody places, can compare to Phoenix was just ballocks. I was in St. Louis a couple of years back for the NFC Championship game and it is nowhere near in size compared to Phoenix which is bloody HUGE!!!! Wow... I was just there for a couple of weeks and well, wow... I thought I was back in LA.


Oh, c'mon...if you're going to act English, at least spell "bollocks" correctly.
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adilus

Jun 2, 2005, 10:47 AM
ahh yes... mr spellcheck rises up again.

Lor' luv a duck! And where are yew from marra what yew know so much abaaaht england? Know what I mean? Lawd above! But since yew are perfect an' all knowin' yew should know exactly what I am wrtin' right now., innit.
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muchdrama

Jun 2, 2005, 11:17 AM
adilus said:
ahh yes... mr spellcheck rises up again.

Lor' luv a duck! And where are yew from marra what yew know so much abaaaht england? Know what I mean? Lawd above! But since yew are perfect an' all knowin' yew should know exactly what I am wrtin' right now., innit.


That was innocent flirting. But you've missed the boat now, mister.
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Stevo2k4

Jun 2, 2005, 3:35 PM
Ooh... Flirting? How do you know is you're talking to a female? Or wait, are you a female?? 😕 Guess it doesn't matter much...

Anyways, adilus I was just sayin... you won the debate, that's all... let 'bollucks' be 'bollucks' with they're re-posts... Did I spell bollucks right? Meh... 🙂
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Jldnr77

Jun 3, 2005, 10:39 AM
Well, if the rest of my state was pretty much just desert, I'd want to live in the same area as everyone else too.... 🤣 👿

/me likes our rolling hills, rivers, trees and grass....
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bones boy

May 31, 2005, 5:08 PM
Boy that whole St. Louis / Phoenix thing got kinda nasty didn't it? 😛

Anyway I might add San Diego to that list. Probably not as populated as some of the others but there is a LOT of $$$ being spent there. Also AT&T rolled out UMTS in San Diego and Dallas last year (didn't they?). They were also one of the first markets to get Verizon's EVDO.
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HeroPsychoDreamer

May 26, 2005, 9:27 AM
Detroit is one of the few cities that already rolled out with UMTS.
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TinyJ316

May 26, 2005, 9:47 AM
how many UMTS devices are available currently??
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HeroPsychoDreamer

May 26, 2005, 9:48 AM
For US 3G, only two. One from Motorola and one from Nokia.
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TinyJ316

May 26, 2005, 9:49 AM
models?
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HeroPsychoDreamer

May 26, 2005, 9:53 AM
Sure! Motorola A845 and Nokia 6651 😁
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TinyJ316

May 26, 2005, 10:23 AM
domo arrigato...
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HeroPsychoDreamer

May 26, 2005, 10:24 AM
...Mr. Roboto!
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