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ITC Questions Another Apple v. Samsung Ruling

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Zpike

Jan 24, 2013, 1:18 PM
They should all be questioned. The courts should force Apple to innovate and compete instead of stifling innovation. Everything I hated about Microsoft's anti-competitive practices in the 90's I now hate 100 times more about Apple. They cannot become irrelevant fast enough.
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Haggard

Jan 24, 2013, 1:31 PM
Their conference call states otherwise of them becoming irrelevant. 10 million more iPhones than the 1st quarter of 2012. $13 billion in profits for a quarter.
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T Bone

Jan 24, 2013, 10:07 PM
Except that the numbers Apple announced today weren't very good, in fact they were so bad that Apple's stock price dropped 12% after the news was released. This was the worst day for Apple stock since the collapse of AIG in 2008.

In fact, Apple's stock price has been in decline for more than year, and has fallen 25% since Steve Jobs' death. Wall Street analysts agree that the pace of increase Apple has experienced in the last 5 years is slowing down.

They even lost their position as the world's most valuable company.

I'm not saying the company is doomed, I'm sure it will continue to be profitable for many years to come, but it does seem clear that it has reached its peak and isn't going to grow any bigger.
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Tofuchong

Jan 26, 2013, 9:04 AM
Yep, saw that on my iPod's stock ticker. Apple down more than 60 points one day, more than 10 the next. The day Apple went down by 60, Google went up by 11....
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T Bone

Jan 26, 2013, 10:46 PM
The funny thing is that the analysts I read said that the main reason for the drop is that the numbers are starting to show that the iPhone is losing ground.against Android.

And many firms are changing their recommendations on Apple stock from 'buy' to 'hold'....

Again let's be clear what I'm saying, the company is NOT in trouble, they are NOT in danger...they will no doubt continue to be profitable for years.....but the growth is slowing down and it seems clear that they have passed their peak.

Everyone will blame the slowdown on Steve Jobs death, even though, frankly, the peak was reached in 2009 with the release of the iPhone 3GS. The 3GS was the last major Apple release that was not hammered upon announcement for not bein...
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Haggard

Jan 28, 2013, 11:34 AM
the problem is analysts trying to predict what Apple has done in a quarter, which is always some outlandish mark. They keep hitting new records each quarter, but never meet the analysts predictions. It's quite the opposite of a slowdown, since they've sold more iPhones in this quarter than any other quarter.

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/25/analysts-share-i ... »
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Zpike

Jan 28, 2013, 12:44 PM
You're right, it "isn't about the iPhone losing ground." It's about Apple's stock losing value. And for Apple that's not good. But hey, Apple wouldn't be the first over valued company to have their stock value normalize. As much as I hate their products and business strategy, I've always thought they were a good investment. At first it was their move into the PC market. Any increase in market share there no matter how small was guaranteed to be a good move. Then of course there was the iPhone and their re-branding of the tablet market. Their marketing department is the best I've ever seen at convincing people that "less is more". I never had any doubt that they would remain profitable. And if their stock will continue to fall, it will become...
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Haggard

Jan 28, 2013, 11:27 AM
They were below the Stock Exchanges predictions because they are setting rather bold expectations. If you think posting a record of revenue is bad, you're not bright at all.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Repo ... »

The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion and record quarterly net profit of $13.1 billion, or $13.81 per diluted share. These results compare to revenue of $46.3 billion and net profit of $13.1 billion, or $13.87 per diluted share, in the 14-week year-ago quarter. Gross margin was 38.6 percent compared to 44.7 percent in the year-ago quarter. International sales accounted for 61 percent of the quarter’s revenue.

But, yeah, you'll still talk out of your butt and say...
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T Bone

Jan 28, 2013, 1:13 PM
They were not 'bad' int the sense that they signal that the company is in trouble, but they were bad in the sense that Apple failed to meet Wall Street expectations...they were good in an absolute sense, but there was not as much growth as the investors wanted and this has led many to conclude that Apple's period of rapid double digit growth is coming to an an end.


The bottom line is that it is all about expectations...merely being 'good' is not enough, you have to be as good as the analysts are expecting, otherwise it is considered a failure.
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Haggard

Jan 28, 2013, 3:40 PM
lol their expectations were outlandish. They had their best quarter yet, the problem is that wall street set them up for failure, not Apple failing or having a "good" quarter. Most companies would loathe to rake in what Apple brings in every quarter.
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