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HeroPsychoDreamer

Apr 14, 2005, 3:05 PM
69c a minute? 25c to send a message? LOL What a joke! Go with GSM, way cheaper. You can at least buy a prepaid SIM card and just pop it in, you're good to go. 69 cents a minute... HAHA, OK!
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nextel18

Apr 14, 2005, 3:07 PM
i agree.
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lexical

Apr 14, 2005, 3:57 PM
This actually is not that bad. With the former AWS, international roaming (excluding Mexico and Canada) was no less than $0.99/min. And that was if you paid $5.99/month for a discounting int'l roaming feature that worked in only 20 European countries. Everywhere else, it's at least $1.29/min. And you know AWS would not unlock your phones. So this is ok in comparison (to former AWS anyway ๐Ÿ˜ )
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nextel18

Apr 14, 2005, 4:00 PM
yea, i guess your right... but you can call them on the landline for cheaper one would think.
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lexical

Apr 14, 2005, 4:03 PM
Yep... Whenever I leave the country, I have that trusty ol int'l calling card. I may have to stay in one place while on a landline, but, then again, I'm not travelling to see where in the world I can make a call.
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nextel18

Apr 14, 2005, 4:06 PM
yea.. i dont do that i just get my nextel's gsm phone and by regular phones becuase they work in the areas i go to and thats it.

hahah = "I'm not travelling to see where in the world I can make a call."
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Bugwart

Apr 15, 2005, 4:31 AM
If you want to roam, it is expensive. Look at the GSM international roaming rates for the European operators.

My GSM provider (FET Taiwan) has low roaming rates in East Asia, but it is more in the US and Europe than VZW is charging.
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nextel18

Apr 15, 2005, 8:09 PM
yea, thats very true.
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maxrebo

Apr 14, 2005, 7:41 PM
Hey, look at CellularOne (Western Wireless) ... in my area they charge $.59 roaming + &.10 long distance per minute!

I think that is not bad for roaming if its not going to be used alot. If you get a prepaid SIM card, you will have a phone number no one knows and you'll have to "shut" off the # people know so you can use your prepaid...unless you decide to invest in 2 phones and carry both around. So, it is also a HUDGE convenience factor too.

trade offs, trade offs, trade offs.
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HeroPsychoDreamer

Apr 14, 2005, 7:45 PM
You can have 1 new number with the SIM and keep that number.

It's not that hard to tell people, hey, im going out of town, if you need to get a hold of me call me on this number.

That, surely beats 69c a minute in my books.

So, you have 2 numbers? Big deal, alot more inexpensive than Verizon's deal.

Then again, having a CDMA/GSM phone you could do the same, which would also be alot better than their outrageous charges.
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maxrebo

Apr 15, 2005, 2:29 PM
Think of business customers though, many of them have their number plastered with hundreds of people. It would be a huge headache to get a 2nd one while out of the country (unless you didn't want to be bothered by work stuff).

Just as with everything else, there are pros and cons. You need to weigh things out for yourself to best fit your needs. It can be cheaper doing other options than roaming w/ Verizon, but it isn't ALL that bad either going that route.

...you also pay for convenience just like everything else in this world!
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Bugwart

Apr 15, 2005, 8:09 PM
You can always have multiple numbers. I do.

Roaming is all about convenience. You pay for that convenience. The cheapest route is almost never the most convenient.
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HeroPsychoDreamer

Apr 15, 2005, 10:50 PM
Convenient for who? Convenience in my opinion is when money isnt disappearing out of my wallet at an astonishing rate.

It varies from individual to individual, Im only stating what works best for me.
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Inquisitor_Hoth

Apr 15, 2005, 8:40 AM
Actually not really. Cingular charges the same amount for intl text messaging. And the basic intl rates run as follows(per minute!):
Mexico $0.49
Canada $0.59
Israel $0.69
Western Europe $1.49
Caribbean $1.49
Central/South America $2.19
Eastern Europe $2.29
Africa/Middle East $2.69
Asia/Pacific/Australia $3.49
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Inquisitor_Hoth

Apr 15, 2005, 8:41 AM
Inquisitor_Hoth said:
Actually not really. Cingular charges the same amount for intl text messaging. And the basic intl rates run as follows(per minute!):
Mexico $0.49
Canada $0.59
Israel $0.69
Western Europe $1.49
Caribbean $1.49
Central/South America $2.19
Eastern Europe $2.29
Africa/Middle East $2.69
Asia/Pacific/Australia $3.49

Source http://www.cingular.com/customer_service/inte rnational_dialing
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HeroPsychoDreamer

Apr 15, 2005, 8:44 AM
Where did I say Cingular was cheaper? I dont recall saying that.

I said GSM is cheaper, and if you have an unlocked phone or even getting a phone unlocked and buying a prepaid SIM which you could recharge, it's a helluva lot cheaper.
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Inquisitor_Hoth

Apr 15, 2005, 9:14 AM
But in comparison though to other amercan carriers their prices are pretty good. Their competition isn't prepaid simcards.
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HeroPsychoDreamer

Apr 15, 2005, 9:27 AM
I agree they are.

But in my eyes, whether it's Cingular or Verizon, it's both a rip off.

Especially when there's a much cheaper alternative, whether it be their competition or not.
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Inquisitor_Hoth

Apr 15, 2005, 2:05 PM
Totally true. I just bough calling cards while i was in Ukraine for three weeks, but it would of been nice not to have to use another one every two minutes.
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Bugwart

Apr 15, 2005, 8:16 PM
Of course.

You have to strike a balance between convenience and cost.
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Bugwart

Apr 15, 2005, 8:13 PM
My Verizon phone is unlocked and I have set it up elsewhere for local service.

Remember that the oft stated advantage of having all your phone numbers on your SIM card is negated by using local pre-paids. (Oops, all my phone numbers are on the other SIM)
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adilus

Apr 15, 2005, 4:20 PM
You know what... I think you've never left the states mate. Where do you think pre-pay GSM is cheaper besides some 3rd world suck pit you wouldn't wanna go anyway?

Prepay rates for London
Carrier: 02 n 3... average rate is 35-40 pence per min... after the conversion you're chattin for 80 some cents a min and you can't call ur silly little family members here in the bugger states.

Prepay rates Europe
Carrier: Orange, T-Mo, VodaFone
Average rate is about 40 cents Euro a min... after the conversion, again, because the American Dollar is lickin its arse, your chattin for about 65 cents a min AND you can't call your bugger family here in the states. Lets also keep in mind that unless your a T-Mo cust, you gotta do alot of monkey trip...
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adilus

Apr 15, 2005, 4:22 PM
Oh and to add:


Unfortunately, we cannot accept orders for mobile phones from outside the United Kingdom.

You'll find this little wacker on just about every co.uk site.

๐Ÿ˜ˆ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ
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HeroPsychoDreamer

Apr 15, 2005, 4:34 PM
What in the hell are you talking about? You don't need to order unlocked phones from the UK. There are plenty of places you can buy them here int he states. One of them being ExpansysUK, or ExpansysUS. Moron.
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Bugwart

Apr 15, 2005, 8:18 PM
And the costs are?

Unlocked phones are unsubsidized phones and they are not cheap.

I am in Taiwan where all the phones are unlocked. I can assure you that they are not cheap.
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adilus

Apr 16, 2005, 5:55 AM
No u don't, but ur american cell phones save for a couple of moto's and nok's aren't gonna work here...

The case ur tryin to make is that .69 cents is too high intl... so you're gonna go out, purchase an unlocked phone for anywhere from $50 to whatever... and then pay convert the weak American dollar to GBP or Euro's, losing more money in the process and then pay a *cheaper* local per min rate...

Thats a lot of money and hassle to try and save some money...

**** DISCLAIMER... This is focused at England and Europe... U wanna travel to the other side of the world be my guest... enjoy the flight.
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HeroPsychoDreamer

Apr 16, 2005, 8:21 AM
Maybe some Moto's and some Nokia's wont, but I know my Sony Ericsson's T68i, T610, P910 and my Ericsson R380 surely do work there. So, are you going to tell me they can't?

And it surely isnt a hassle for the people that buy unlocked phones and do as I do. And Im positive there's many of those.

As for the rest, read my reply to your other post.
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adilus

Apr 17, 2005, 1:57 AM
Just out curiousity, what are you paying intl? I'd love to know really... it'd save me money when I go home... because you have yet to address the per min rate you have been paying and in what countries (Europe and UK only). I know the local rates of my own country and I know what you're gonna pay after you convert your weak american dollar to the strong GBP... I wanna know what ur doing differently. Also, what rates are you getting in Europe. You said Voda... Okay Voda the last I looked was .45 Euro cents per min, lower if you go with higher vouchers. Again after the conversion from US dollars to Euro's you're paying more than the .69 cents originally brought up. So please tell me where are you buying these pre-pay sims? Heathrow, C...
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HeroPsychoDreamer

Apr 17, 2005, 3:29 AM
Oh no! Pleeeease don't think of me as a stupid American who thinks the world ends at the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, oh please oh please no! ๐Ÿคฃ Anything but that! I'll be very offended if you do! ๐Ÿคฃ LOL.

That said, I'm not here to prove anything, if I was here to prove anything I would have begun dishing out details a few posts back.

One last thing, you're gonna have to think of me as a stupid Polish-German who lives in America who thinks that the world ends at the the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Just so you wont be so inaccurate when thinking about me! ๐Ÿ˜

Anywho, thanks for the chit chat mate! ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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adilus

Apr 17, 2005, 8:20 PM
Ahhh, meine Familie bewog von Muenchen nach London, als ich fรƒยผnf war. Sind Sie von Deutschland dann oder tun Sie haben gerade einen deutschen Familiennameen. Noch haben Sie, meine Frage schon zu beantworten. Ich denke, daรƒลธ Sie nicht wissen, รƒยผber was Sie sprechen.

And if you don't understand a bit of deutsche, I'll know you're more polish than deutsche.
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HeroPsychoDreamer

Apr 15, 2005, 4:32 PM
First of all, you take things was too personally and to me it seems you've had a bad childhood.

Secondly, GSM is alot cheaper than CDMA roaming, that's a given. I'm sorry you got ripped off yourself, my sympathys.

My prepaid SIM carrrier is Vodafone D2. When I'm over seas and make a call overseas I pay the standard rate as if I lived there. Ya know, cause after all, it's like having the cell phone activated there? Moron.

Also, yes, I am able to call back to the United States, how can I say that? Because I have. It's a simple forumla, I dial my home phone number and press send, viola! The call is being connected.

Monkey trippin to get an unlocked phone? I'm sorry your brain doesnt have the capacity to do it with ease but ...
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Bugwart

Apr 15, 2005, 8:28 PM
[quote]GSM is alot cheaper than CDMA roaming, that's a given. I'm sorry you got ripped off yourself, my sympathys[/quote] You are comparing apples and oranges.

Local service whether by pre-paid or post-paid is almost ALWAYS cheaper than roaming, the technology has nothing to do with this.

Bring your D2 SIM over here to Taichung and tell me how cheap it is to roam. I will wager a dinner at my favorite restautant in Taipei that my VZW roaming charges are lower than your D2 charges here.

Roaming = Convenience
Local service = Cheap

I use my local service here mostly because my customers want a local number that they can call to reach me.
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adilus

Apr 16, 2005, 6:02 AM
Wow really you are a psycho...

There are so many things that you aren't including... like the local money conversion and that the majority of the phones won't work here.

As for VodaFone D2... GSM roaming rates are 45 Euro Cents here... convert... and ur payin 60 cents US... and thats with a 10-20 min Euro Voucher... Intl rates are 1.50 Euro a min... So to call the US you're paying about 1.82 US per min...

What part of this aren't you getting? And don't give me some crap about how I don't know what I'm talking about...
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HeroPsychoDreamer

Apr 16, 2005, 8:17 AM
Jeez, so that means the people living over in Europe pay those rates too! ๐Ÿ˜ฒ

Give me a break, if you're using your cell phone in Europe as if you lived there, you're not going to be paying any sort of ungodly rates like that unless you call long distance FROM Europe to somewhere else, like, the United States.

What part of that arent YOU getting? Are you going to tell me this is wrong when I personally do it when I personally go to Europe? Are you going to tell me it doesn't work when it works for me, and many, many other people?

Maybe those rates would apply is I was using a Cingular SIM and roaming in Europe. But if I'm using a SIM like the citixens of Europe are, I'm paying the same rates as they are. And you're not going ...
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barryefau

Apr 19, 2005, 12:02 PM
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, RIGHT FROM CINGULARS WEBSITE (GET A CLUE)

Canada/Mexico $0.79/min

Canada, Mexico

Western Europe $1.29/min

Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Guernsey, Iceland, Ireland, Isle of Man, Italy, Jersey, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK (Great Britain), Vatican City,

Australia $1.69/min

Australia, New Zealand
South/Central America

Caribbean $1.99/min

Anguilla, Antigua & Barbuda, Aruba, Argentina, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Bermuda, Bolivia, Brazil, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Faroe Islands, Fre...
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