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EV-DO Rev. A Reaches Milestone with Chipset Sampling

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What does this mean for verizon?

gunny

Apr 13, 2005, 1:04 PM
When they start to release evdo RevA capable phones, will verizon truly have to competition beat?
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HeroPsychoDreamer

Apr 13, 2005, 1:05 PM
They already have the competition beat. For now...
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gunny

Apr 13, 2005, 1:10 PM
hmmm..I guess the better question might be will Cingular and Sprint ever be able to catch up?
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HeroPsychoDreamer

Apr 13, 2005, 1:11 PM
I don't know much about Sprint, but I think Cingular will give EV-DO a good run for its money with HSDPA.
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SPCSVZWJeff

Apr 13, 2005, 5:02 PM
Sprint will jump on revision a as soon as possible. It will be quite a horse race between the two because both will have EVDO nationwide by the time Rev.a is actually available.
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nextel18

Apr 13, 2005, 10:42 PM
sprint is doing REV A, which is faster then REV O. theoretically, hsdpa is faster then both rev o and rev a but who knows. my estimate is that hsdpa would be around 600-3mb/s. we will see though. regardless, competition would be fun.

by the way nextel/spritn could always chose flarion or wimax and that will destroy umts/hsdpa and REV O.

not a problem.
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adilus

Apr 14, 2005, 5:42 AM
One thing to keep in mind about Cingular and UMTS. They maybe testing this and the HSPDA portion, but if you recall ATT Wireless was in the process of rolling out UMTS in 6 different and when Cingular acquired them, Cingular has just stopped UMTS and you ask a care rep and they don't know what the plans are for this.

I don't see a huge consumer level demand for high-speed data -- and neither do the parents of kids who get hundreds upon hundreds of dollars of data charges.

Rev 0 and soon A are here now. I know Cingular signed that billion dollar contract with Lucent for the network, but alot of that is going to be used for further network consolidation. If UMTS/HSPDA is in the top 20 markets by the beginning of the 3rd Quarter 06 I...
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nextel18

Apr 14, 2005, 5:44 AM
"One thing to keep in mind about Cingular and UMTS. They maybe testing this and the HSPDA portion, but if you recall ATT Wireless was in the process of rolling out UMTS in 6 different and when Cingular acquired them, Cingular has just stopped UMTS and you ask a care rep and they don't know what the plans are for this."

really, i didnt know that.

"I don't see a huge consumer level demand for high-speed data -- and neither do the parents of kids who get hundreds upon hundreds of dollars of data charges."

i do, becuase if its wireless it would be easier.

"Rev 0 and soon A are here now. I know Cingular signed that billion dollar contract with Lucent for the network, but alot of that is going to be used for further network consolidat...
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SPCSVZWJeff

Apr 14, 2005, 11:05 AM
While the Flarion tests were a success, they are not anywhere near a product yet. It will probably be a few years before the first WIMAX network is installed. Until then we will slug it out with EVDO in some form against UMTS/HSDPA in some form.
To answer your other statement. If everyone wants wireless data, then why is data less than 5% of revenues across the industry?
The only people who really care that much about it is the geeks like us on these forums.
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nextel18

Apr 14, 2005, 11:08 AM
becuase consumers want more applications. high speed data, maybe more ring tones, more games, more interactive things, video confereing etc.. i bet businesses would love more applications on the REV A, umts/hsdpa, wimax and flarion level.

flarion, in my opinion, would be out by 2005-2006 maybe 2007.

wimax will be out in 2006-2008.

regardless it will be interesting

since we only have 300 million people in the usa, it will be about arpu and churn and data arpu.
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nextel18

Apr 13, 2005, 10:40 PM
cingular doesnt have to "catchup" same with sprint, becuase cingular will be deploying umts/hsdpa which theoritcally will be faster then REV O. to sprint, they will be doing REV A which is faster then REV A. they dont need to worry so much, as long as they roll it out within the next 1-2 years. verizon doesnt have a good pricing structure and speeds with REV O. we will see if they will pay for that mistake.
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adilus

Apr 14, 2005, 5:47 AM
If you read up on the expected data use and the actual data use that these companies would like to see on the consumer end and you will see actual profits are alot lower than desired. This is going to directly reflect how fast a company rolls out whatever their high speed program is. In the mind of the consumer their first priority is going to be coverage area and the quality of the call. Data to the majority of customers is still a novelty that they will play with for the first month and then drop (usually from a much higher than anticipated bill).

When I worked for Cingular I'd say only about 1 in 15 actually had a data plan. They all used it until they saw how much it raised their bill and then they dropped it.
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nextel18

Apr 14, 2005, 5:50 AM
but if you look at sprint, a lot of customers want data, since they have the highiest data arpu.

anyway about cingular.. this is from 2004.

http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=28749 »


from 2004

Cingular, which recently acquired AT&T Wireless (NYSE: AWE) , will leverage the airwaves it gained in the transaction to deliver high-speed, 3G connectivity. The new network promises average data transmission rates of 400-700 kilobits per second (Kbps), the company said.

Advanced services will be offered to Cingular's regional and rural roaming partners, while enabling those carriers to deploy UMTS services on their networks. Most major markets will have access to the network by the end of 2006.


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from 2005

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adilus

Apr 14, 2005, 5:53 AM
Oh the technology is grand... but unless you live in the top 20-50 markets I think you are gonna be sittin on the roof during a rainstorm without an umbrella.
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nextel18

Apr 14, 2005, 5:55 AM
yea exactly. good point!
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SPCSVZWJeff

Apr 14, 2005, 11:09 AM
Well over 50% of Sprint's customers use their Vision services and I would probably say it is about the same for T-Mobile. Verizon and Cingular have different customer bases who by and large want a free phone and no frills.
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nextel18

Apr 13, 2005, 10:39 PM
verizon doesnt have plans right now to do REV A. they only have plans to do REV O, currently.
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adilus

Apr 14, 2005, 5:51 AM
But doesn't VZW have the ability to upgrade to Rev A through software upgrades? That would mean their responisibilty would be for testing new phones and chipsets. I think VZW is smart for holding back... I think the only true demand for Rev A is going to be wireless NIC's, Smart Phones, and Blackberry's. Once the demand is there, then roll it out.
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nextel18

Apr 14, 2005, 5:54 AM
"But doesn't VZW have the ability to upgrade to Rev A through software upgrades? "

from what i read, no, but i am not 100 percent sure. i know for a fact sprint does. when i looked at sprint's press release about it and verizon's i didnt see any wording in vzw's that said possible upgrade and including upgrade option for REV A and for DV etc. like i saw for sprint.

"That would mean their responisibilty would be for testing new phones and chipsets. I think VZW is smart for holding back... I think the only true demand for Rev A is going to be wireless NIC's, Smart Phones, and Blackberry's. Once the demand is there, then roll it out."

well, they would trust qualcomm. if they trust qualcomm to do REV O, they should trust them to do REV...
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nextel18

Apr 14, 2005, 5:51 AM
something else i found..

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml ... »



Specifically, the chips are designed for 1xEV-DO Revision A systems. Rev A is a follow-on to 1xEV-DO service that a number of wireless operators-- Verizon and Sprint in the U.S.-- have been rolling out. That current service provides typical speeds of between 300 Kbps and 400 Kbps. Verizon has said it expects to start field tests of 1xEV-DO Rev A in late 2006.



While EV-DO is based on CDMA technology, GSM-based operators have been rolling out UMTS service now and will upgrade to HSDPA, which will support speeds similar to those promised by Rev A. In the U.S., Cingular has said it will start rolling out HSDPA next year, although u...
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