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Review: Apple iPhone 5 for AT&T

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"Everything about the iPhone 5 is leagues ahead of the competition"

MarryTheNight

Sep 23, 2012, 11:56 PM
Are you effin serious???? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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bluecoyote

Sep 24, 2012, 12:34 AM
It is. The truth hurts.
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MrGuder

Sep 24, 2012, 12:40 AM
bluecoyote said:
It is. The truth hurts.


Only it's not true. It's a lie. You can't handle the truth.
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hepresearch

Sep 24, 2012, 10:47 PM
The truth hardly matters any more... Apple has already won this battle 'a priori' because perception IS the new "reality", and the victor always gets to re-write history to satisfy their future needs and immediate utility.

At this point, in terms of my past point-of-view (Nokia/Symbian fan for quite a few years), I have already been beaten. Anything non-Apple that is new and modern, which could replace my old Symbian devices (which I sold to pay the bankruptcy attorney anyway), now looks, acts, and smells like an iPhone wanna-be. As the old addage says, "if you can't beat 'em, you may as well join 'em"; however, I am also now far too poor to join the ranks of the Apple-faithful by purchasing Apple products and the needed services to ope...
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bradspace

Sep 24, 2012, 1:10 PM
This is a true statement...if the competition is the iPhone 4s. While it is true that ultmately the phone you choose will be based upon personal taste and need, you can't argue with fact. The fact is that you can't be unbiased and say that this phone offers more from a technology standpoint than the Galaxy S III or the HTC One X. The HTC has been out for 8 months already. The Galaxy S IV is in the final stages of design and testing and the next HTC One X is due to be released soon. This doesn't even cover the quantum leap of technology that the Nokia 920 has. The shortfalls are explained away by making them seem unnecessary or unwanted. MANY people with large hands actually prefer a larger screen and we don't look at it as "too-big-to-use". ...
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Slammer

Sep 24, 2012, 2:17 PM
+1 for your post.

I posted a similar comment last month. Apple was in a lot of trouble before re-hiring Steve Jobs. He had the persona and expertise to steer the ship he built and commanded. Steve WAS Apple and Apple followed him. He had the power and insight to run Apple under close integration. He mastered it. He also was relentless in spotting ideas and concepts. He then would capitalize on them. No doubt Apple has a great team, but, Steve's templates for conditioning and culminating ideas through his guidance, is what catapulted Apple. Apple is in a great financial position to last them for awhile. They aren't going anywhere soon. However, without Steve, backpeddling and working around the same principles as they are at this moment, w...
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bluecoyote

Sep 24, 2012, 3:56 PM
What's your argument here? I own an HTC One X, and it's awkward to hold. But I don't think larger phone = innovation.

If your idea of 'innovation' is a spec sheet feature with very little usability in the real world (NFC), sure. But the iPhone is about carefully choosing which features to implement, and implementing them better than any other phone manufacturer. (They don't always, but 9 times out of 10 Apple's implementation is the benchmark.)

Don't pretend for a minute the copy+paste functionality, the non-Gmail mail functionality, the wireless streaming functionality, or the app ecosystem on any Android phone is up to the level of that on iOS. Try mirroring your Android phone on your TV with a DLNA solution like the Media Link HD ...
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tbacba

Sep 25, 2012, 8:53 PM
"Well, I own both of them...." and anyone who has been following your posts for the last couple years knows how totally objective and unbiased you are. Please.
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hepresearch

Sep 25, 2012, 9:36 PM
I dunno... the opinion of a developer who has to deal with all of the major ecosystems, and each of their unique nuances, comes across as fairly convincing to me. Besides... let he who is totally objective and unbiased cast the first stone... ?

How "objective" and "unbiased" are you?
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tbacba

Sep 26, 2012, 10:11 AM
If you have read any of Blue's older posts, you would see a pattern of slamming the Android OS and Android phone manufacturers. This despite the fact that many of these phones were very positively received and thoroughly reviewed by professional sites. His posts are more often than not confrontational, in an attempt to draw a response. The very definition of bias.
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hepresearch

Sep 27, 2012, 5:12 PM
Confrontation can be a symptom of bias, but it is not the definition of bias. Trust me... I have dealt with bias in many different applications in the past, and bias is not identical to confrontationality. Bias is often the cause of confrontation, though. Bluecoyote was, at the very least, overly zealous in his efforts, but then again I was nearly as zealous in my opposition once. Confrontation is sometimes necessary when one is zealously defending the truth, but that kind of confrontation ought to be more reasonable and civilized if the defender of truth actually understands their place.

Positive reception and reviews do not always make a great phone. It depends on many factors, including the needs and perception of the user. As a ...
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Blazeitup

Sep 29, 2012, 4:24 PM
All I know is I have a S3 and he's wrong about it being hard to sync and stream to my tv
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tjobrien21

Sep 25, 2012, 12:36 PM
Fan much?

Let's see, compared to Android phones on a similar out of contract price point: The iPhone has lower screen resolution, a smaller screen, the same RAM, a similar though possibly better CPU, same LTE, same flash capacities, a battery can't be replaced, no NFC, but quite a nice camera...

Which is better? I'd say it's a wash, it depends on your preference.

"Leagues ahead"? Not so much.
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Blazeitup

Sep 29, 2012, 4:33 PM
The Iphone 5 doesn't have 2 gig of ram like the S3.Wishful think or a bald face lie on your part? I don't know the only thing I do know is you were wrong.
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Trismegistus

Sep 24, 2012, 1:15 PM
This is about the PHYSICAL phone. Not about iOS6, which is a different beast.
Apple has been making great hardware since... forever. They have teamed it with great aesthetics for a long time.
The OS itself has a completely different review.
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T Bone

Sep 24, 2012, 6:03 PM
And from a hardware point of view, there is simply no way that anyone can seriously argue that the iPhone 5 is the most advanced on the market.....the Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S III, One X and Lumia 920 all have superior hardware....


All Apple is doing is adding features that their competitors have had for more than a year....
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bluecoyote

Sep 24, 2012, 6:47 PM
I'm excluding the Lumia 920, because it's not out yet with no release date in sight, and nobody has had extensive hands-on with the full phone beyond limited demos.

So having a Galaxy S3, an HTC One X, and an iPhone 5 in front of me, let's compare and see who comes out on top:


Battery life: iPhone 5
Responsiveness / Processor Performance for HTML5/JS: iPhone 5 (this is the only cross-platform measure I have as a dev that relates in a meaningful way to the end user, where the iPhone 5 is currently 5-6 times the framerate of the Galaxy S3 and One X in terms of FPS animation.)
Weight iPhone 5
Thickness iPhone 5
Screen Color Accuracy/Quality iPhone 5 (see Gizmodo's article on ranking ...
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hepresearch

Sep 24, 2012, 10:00 PM
Just out of curiosity... why in the world do you have a Galaxy S III and a One X when you have an iPhone 5? Did you not have an iPhone 4S previously? Did you also simultaneously own a Galaxy S II and an Evo 4G, or something like them, back then, too?

I guess I can understand it if you are running a mobile tech consulting business (which I did from 2008 to 2010) or cross-platform developing (I've always developed for Symbian - which is no longer worth developing for, and for Maemo - which I only do for my own entertainment... but never for both at the same time... so I have absolutely no background in the whole BlackBerry/Android/iOS/WP8 crossover market myself), or even if you were just going through a phase of enjoying multiple lines o...
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bluecoyote

Sep 25, 2012, 11:58 AM
We have a fleet of phones and tablets for development. It's particularly important for Android because the emulator does not accurately represent real-world performance (neither does iOS, but it's a bit closer.)

My daily drivers is currently the One X and 4s, though it will soon be the iPhone 5, which is currently being used as a DD by another dev.

(Other phones in the fleet include an HTC Inspire, iPhone 3Gs, iPhone 4, Galaxy Nexus, and Droid X2.)

If you want to know why I side with Apple's reasoning, it's because in the big picture, Apple has created an ecosystem that is extremely healthy. It's not just the iOS, it's the hundreds of thousands of really killer applications. Users are comfortable paying for quality applications, a...
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hepresearch

Sep 25, 2012, 12:25 PM
Thank you for sharing. Very interesting perspective, indeed. I can now totally see what you mean, and you are right. Sorry it took me so long, so many months, to figure that out...

I know that I gave you a hard time back in the day about our disagreements over Symbian, but now I feel bad about it... it took getting burned up one side and down the other, by reality, to wake me up. I still fight it on the inside once in a while... that desire to be free keeps coming back from time to time, and then I ended up buying a Nokia N800 just because I could (haha)... but in my heart I already know the truth, and cannot deny it for too long at any given moment.

I have a friend, living on the other side of PA, who plays around with an HTC Insp...
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tbacba

Sep 25, 2012, 8:59 PM
Please don't encourage his fantasy. Blue is a known troll from way back.
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hepresearch

Sep 25, 2012, 9:31 PM
I used to think the same thing you do now... I used to argue intensely with Bluecoyote, and did so for a couple of years... but in my case, he turned out to be absolutely right in all the ways that I hoped he wouldn't be, and I paid a price for not listening to him earlier. Besides, he is a cross-platform developer, and I'd like to hear what he has to say about the subject rather than just writing off his opinion.

Understanding is a three-edged sword... there's your side, their side, and the truth... and it cuts all three ways when neither your side nor their side are identical to the truth. Well, my "side" was further from the truth than his, so now I'm eating my humble pie and listening to him a little more intently...
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Riot_Act

Sep 24, 2012, 11:03 PM
Depends on your point of view.

Either the One X or Galaxy SIII are a lot more resistant than the iphone...
The iphone is far, far beyond sexier than most other phone out in the market. You have to admit that even if it will be the first one on breaking if dropped, it looks and feels a lot and lots better than any of the other two.

Most likely (as a tradition) the nokia will be a lot tougher than any of the above mentioned.

Raw horsepower. I really doubt that the iphone has a much faster processor, a greater amount of RAM or a bigger battery...
Those monster android phones use hardware that is usually seen on bigger devices like tablets so i really doubt the iphone is really stronger in pure horsepower.

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srich27

Sep 25, 2012, 8:09 AM
a LOT more resistant. A coworker of mine just got his new iPhone 5 last Friday, and had already broken the screen by Monday (slipped out of his pocket, or something minor). That is just unacceptably fragile.

As a side note, I'm a little sick of the pre-requisite "You have to admit...." about the iPhone. I really don't. I've never liked the 4/4S/5 line of iPhones. I think they're poorly designed dense bricks of glass and metal that break like eggshells. Its sharp edges sure as hell don't slip into my hands as nicely as my GS3. The whole aesthetic thing is purely subjective, and I wish it weren't necessary to appease iPhone people with praise of its beauty before making any other criticism :\

I fully believe the iPhone utilizes it...
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Haggard

Sep 25, 2012, 12:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M5q5TRuAsY »



Spoiler, the S3 broke on the second drop, the iPhone was just scraped, and didn't have any cracks in the glass.
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Riot_Act

Sep 27, 2012, 1:42 AM
I own the international version of the HTC one X (it's polycarbonate unibody is freaking strong).
By the time I wrote this above I hadn't carefully checked the GSIII... I just figured out that the removable battery cover is just too flimsy.
I got to put my hands on an Iphone 5 just yesterday.
It is an strong phone. You can tell it is an iphone because it looks a lot like the other previous 5 iphones...
But the feel to it is totally different.
It's a tough phone. Uses little plastics, mostly metal for the body; and glass; is just to be found where it belongs, on the screen.

Still, I think that the oneX is less prone to get scratched because the polycarbonate unibody will take a bit more abuse.
However, now I can tell. It is true that...
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organshifter

Sep 24, 2012, 7:53 PM
It's a very basic device, and brings nothing new or innovative to the table. The only consumers who love it and are blown away are previous iPhone owners. That's because they have had to endure the lackluster offerings of the iPhone 4/4s for so long that any improvements are welcomed. Those of us who are accustomed to using killer devices are looking at this mediocre piece of hardware like, "Huh? This is all it has to offer? Really?" It's embarrassing, but hilarious!
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marufio

Oct 5, 2012, 7:55 AM
The hardware is killer, one of the best on the market. But the 4inch screen is one of the smallest I have ever seen. Has me wondering if it is 4inches or is Apple lying. I would have preferred a standard 4inch screen with a regular touch screen not the in-cell technology.
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