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Apple Asks For $707M More in Damages from Samsung

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Ashke13

Sep 23, 2012, 9:59 AM
Apple is seriously pushing it to the limit, funny how their greed increased and are now asking for yet more money from Samsung around the same time of the release of the craphone5.
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T Bone

Sep 23, 2012, 10:12 AM
Apple has settled comfortably into the 'evil empire' position that was previously occupied by Microsoft....but it won't help....as the New York Time argues....Apple has peaked....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/opinion/nocera-has ... »

We've seen this happen to so many other companies, IBM, Microsoft, RIM......Apple in the mid 80's....
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MarryTheNight

Sep 23, 2012, 11:12 AM
Good article. I agree. Apple is the new Microsoft alright. Now it's M$ that's being innovative. Many may hate Win 8 or even WP8 for that matter but it's different. If M$ plays their cards right they could dent Apple when it comes to the tablet market. Something Android has yet to do. A tablet running a full blown version of Windows just blows the iPad out of the water. Cook won't be making any more jokes when a bunch of Windows tablets start popping up in logs. The ball is in M$ court now.
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Slammer

Sep 23, 2012, 12:06 PM
I'm not sold on WP8 as of yet.

I'm keeping an eye on their new strategy. They keynoted a new direction at the same time of making the WP8 announcement. They want to embrace a more closed ecosystem similar to Apple's. The problem with this is, it works for Apple because they have 30 years of experience with this direction. Microsoft does not. It will be interesting to see how they and their clientele adapt.

John B.
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Magnagarde

Sep 23, 2012, 2:35 PM
Hint: I'm not. At least Windows 7 will be cheaper when Windows 8 comes out, because I am so not putting it on my next build. Maybe if it can prove itself, but for now, it's a very hard pill to swallow. Even if it IS good, I don't care, it's far too different than what I, as a windows person, is used to on a computer. But I know eventually I probably will come around to it, and may even like it more, but it's way too much, too soon for me.
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T Bone

Sep 23, 2012, 4:12 PM
I've been running the Windows 8 release candidate for the last couple of months, and much like the ribbon in Office 2007 the Metro interface does have a bit of a learning curve.....but it works fine...it's not difficult to use at all, and over time I think I will probably come to prefer it....
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Magnagarde

Sep 23, 2012, 4:56 PM
Well, that's good to hear. I'm just being fickle, but you know how it is! When you've known an OS as looking at least similar through it's main versions for almost 2 decades, a switch is hard.
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Vmac39

Sep 24, 2012, 8:21 PM
But, unlike Microsoft, Apple's software isn't everywhere and nearly on every computer. I believe that's where the difference will be, not just for entertainment or casual use. I'm speaking more on Windows 8. The unification of all their ecosystems will be a major step in the right direction for them, considering, love it or hate it, most people use PC's and they have the know how to do it right.

As for WP7, it has some short comings but, nothing that keeps it from being a phone. With WP8, it stands to be a great phone. If the core of the OS is the same as the desktop version, then they will have room to improve where they need to. On another note, despite some of the short comings, it's funny seeing a feature that Droid thinks is new and...
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Globhead

Sep 23, 2012, 4:57 PM
MarryTheNight said:
Apple is the new Microsoft alright.


Sort of, but Apple has ALWAYS been Microsoft, the difference was in people's reactions. Microsoft bundles a web browser or a media player with their OS, and it's a crime. Apple bundles an OS with a PC, and a music service with an MP3 player (and designs the hardware so it can't be used with competing services), and nobody cares because ooh-she-so-pretty.
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Haggard

Sep 23, 2012, 11:43 AM
A supposed evil empire would offer to share their patents to avoid a lawsuit?

Apple - "Hey Samsung, we will share our patents if you share yours to avoid going to court over this, how does that sound?"
Samsung - "No, I think we have a good shot at settling our differences in court..(Hey Dave, did you delete those emails with notes saying to copy the iPhone in pretty much every possible way?)
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Magnagarde

Sep 23, 2012, 2:31 PM
Haggard, you aren't just any voice of reason, you're MY voice of reason
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Haggard

Sep 23, 2012, 2:51 PM
Razz
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Globhead

Sep 23, 2012, 4:52 PM
What generous price did Apple demand to license a green phone icon?

The problem is not that Apple is trying to enforce patents. The problem is that so many of their claims are BS.
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Magnagarde

Sep 23, 2012, 5:21 PM
To be honest the evidence is so very far stacked against Samsung now. At the same time, Apple is just shooting for bonus money now. I'm as neutral as one can be.
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Haggard

Sep 24, 2012, 8:52 AM
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57491406-37/2010-a ... »

$30 per smartphone, $40 per tablet.

Far less than the billion in damages that they owe Apple now and possibly even more.

The claims aren't BS when Samsung was caught red handed with documents saying to copy the iPhone. Facts is facts, sorry you don't like to take them into consideration.
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deepskyblue

Sep 24, 2012, 5:29 PM
You're making two incorrect assumptions here:

1) that the Califonia verdict is final
2) the fact that Samsung wanted to make their phones like iphone means they're guilty.

This isn't the way patent law works. If you didn't originate something you can't patent it. You also can patent obvious things.

Even if Apple originated a single one of the items in these patents (they didn't) they would have a tough go in court.

Think of all the store brand packaging that's clearly based on name brand packaging. Is that violating trade dress and design patents?

There has to be substantial similarity, so much so that an average observer would purchase one thinking it was the other.

I don't know if you work in the industry or not, bu...
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srich27

Sep 25, 2012, 7:31 AM
Except it wouldn't be cheaper. Last I heard Apple was trying to get the GS3 attached to this case, and that has sold at least, what 20+ Million?
20M * $30 = $600M just by itself.
Add in all the Tabs and other GS generations and the billion dollars still turns out to be the cheaper option. All this certainly hasn't negatively affected their sales either.

Really hasn't affected either companies sales, as most normal people really don't care.
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deepskyblue

Sep 23, 2012, 9:18 PM
Apple would love it if they could get every one of their competitors to pay liscensing fees for bogus patents they never should have been awarded.

For Samsung, agreeing to that would be admitting that Apple is right, when clearly they are not.

Also, Apple's figure that they want to pay to license Samsung's patents is $0.0049 per patent per phone.

Apple wants Samsung to pay them licensing fees of over $30 per phone.

No real surprise that Samsung wouldn't agree to this.
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Magnagarde

Sep 23, 2012, 10:18 PM
If that's true then holy ****

What's your source?
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deepskyblue

Sep 24, 2012, 9:23 AM
you can read about all the sordid details here:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120726121 ... »
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Haggard

Sep 24, 2012, 9:01 AM
Microsoft agreed to terms with Apple for licenses, apparently it wasn't that bad of a deal..

Apple even offered Samsung discounts on various licenses as well.

Great thinking though, instead of agreeing, they lost the lawsuit and are about to lose a billion dollars and possibly more..

I'd think it's a good idea to admit you were in the wrong instead of showing up to court with documents showing you blatantly copied...
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deepskyblue

Sep 24, 2012, 10:02 AM
The details of Apple/Microsoft's cross licensing agreement aren't public, but I'd guess that they're very different that the discussions Apple and Samsung have had.

What Apple wanted as a licensing agreement from Samsung is ridiculous.

Samsung won't have to pay Apple a penny.

Samsung has lots of grounds for an appeal, which will be granted if the judge doesn't just throw out the verdict first. If that happens then Apple will appeal.

The California trial is just a goof, the only thing it proves is that the US should join the rest of the world and not let juries try patent cases.
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deepskyblue

Sep 24, 2012, 5:50 PM
I also want to throw in that the evil empire was found to have fabricated evidence in previous trials.

The submitted comparision shots of the iPad and Galaxy Tab, with the Tab altered to have the same aspect ratio is the iPad, which it does not.

They also submitted doctored photos of the Galaxy S II as evidence where they changed the sise and modified the homescreen to make it appear more iPhone like.

Evil empire? Oh yeah.
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