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Apple Adds Galaxy S III to Samsung Lawsuit

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Pride Comes Before the Fall.

Slammer

Sep 1, 2012, 12:09 PM
Apple may have had a case on the orginal SG series, but the SGIII is completely redesigned and even engineers have stated that Samsung has worked around Apple's designs.

I find Apple has bitten too much of its own Apple. Tim Cook doesnt possess the look or feel of Steve Jobs to carry the torch. Also Sir Jonathan Ives may be the celebrated engineer and developer of the iproducts, but it was Steve Jobs' ideas and implementation that gave John the templates to work with. Tim Cook stood in front of the press in a keynote address after Steve's death. He claimed no one had to worry. Apple still has plenty of ideas to be major competition. I will await to see what this maybe. The most celebrated days of Apple were when Steve Jobs held the ship ...
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MarryTheNight

Sep 1, 2012, 12:30 PM
I agree John, Cook seems to be avenging Steve's death and as you implied he doesn't have oomph to carry the torch.

Only iSheep will defend their actions but the masses will see this as corporate greed and anti-consumer. At the end of the day they're all greedy sure but Apple just isn't playing fair and it will come back to bite them in the a$$.

Does the iPhone 5 or whatever (The "new iPhone" perhaps) it's going to be called suck that much? Apple is sure paranoid.
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netboy

Sep 1, 2012, 1:21 PM
I for one will never buy any fruits nomatter what the hypes is! I know windows phones are unpopular but I rather support them than apple.
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onewish84

Sep 1, 2012, 2:45 PM
i love my htc titan 2 love windows good job cant waint til windows phone 8 comes out. i do like samsung as well.. Twisted Evil
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T Bone

Sep 1, 2012, 6:47 PM
"I know windows phones are unpopular"

Well...Nokia claims to have sold 10 million Windows Phones which is a distant fourth (behind the 50 million Blackberries RIM sells every year) but it ain't chump change, and it is a decent start for a brand new platform.....and that's just one OEM, I don't know how many Windows Phones Samsung and LG have sold...but I've heard that the original Samsung Focus sold 2 million, which isn't bad....and keep in mind that Windows Phone is really only supported by one carrier, at&t.....
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Versed

Sep 1, 2012, 10:26 PM
Doesn't Sprint and TMO have sell Windows Phones devices? I know not to the same extent.
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T Bone

Sep 2, 2012, 9:08 PM
Maybe one or two....Verizon has deliberately shunned Windows Phone....and really only at&t has been aggressively pushing it...

And I've heard many people say, that when they go into an at&t store asking for Windows Phone, that the salesmen tell them that Windows Phone isn't any good and they should get an iPhone or Android phone instead..and I believe that because..the exact same thing has happened to me when I have tried to get a Blackberry....

Basically the only way to get a Blackberry or Windows Phone is to walk into the store insisting that is what you want and you aren't walking out with anything else...otherwise they won't even show you the phone...which they keep hidden behind the desk refusing to display....or you can just orde...
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Versed

Sep 2, 2012, 10:24 PM
They have Windows Phone on live display at the local corporate stores, except for the Lumia 900 and that was a while back. It seems the salesman prefer the GS3, One X and iPhone for sales and they seemed pushed.
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Jarahawk

Sep 2, 2012, 10:31 PM
I wonder if it is simply a case of lazy sales people or are they receiving a spiff for selling iphones, Galaxy III and One X?
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T Bone

Sep 3, 2012, 9:26 AM
When I worked for at&t it was commonly believed that Apple and Google offered an incentive to the salesman that they got a higher commission for iPhone and Android sales than for sales of other phones...it was pretty much a universal belief that Apple and Google were paying salesman to push their phones...I personally never saw any documentation to prove that, but that is what nearly everyone at at&t believed, including the managers....that was the only thing that made sense to us why the salesman were so aggressive in pushing the iPhone....
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Versed

Sep 3, 2012, 10:34 PM
To be honest both the One X and GS3 are top of the line phones, at $99 the One X is a bargain. I'm sure selling these phones are good for various reasons, low return, people are happy with them and I'm sure some incentives.
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inferno329

Sep 3, 2012, 11:28 AM
I CURRENTLY work as an AT&T store sales, for the most part there are not any kind of insentives to sell specific devices BESIDES on the launch date of those said devices, EXCLUDING iphone.... iPhones sell themselves, so apple/att pay the least on iphone sales. maybe the sales people recomend different phones because THEY ARE BETTER PHONES... people need to realize that we sell these phones every day, and people come back and complain about the crappy ones, why would we want to sell a bunch of crappy phones. If someone came in today asking about the lumia or GS3, i'd probably laugh at them too, as the GS3 is a brand new Amazing phone, and the lumia is old and outdated as soon as windows 8 comes in. If you woulda came in when the lumia launche...
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T Bone

Sep 3, 2012, 4:58 PM
Honestly, comments like that remind me why those of us the customer service side had such contempt for the stores.....trying to force people to buy a phone they don't want only creates dissatisfied customers....and laughing at customers when they tell you what phone they are interested in....do you have any idea how rude and insulting that is? Maybe they don't want the latest and greatest, maybe they want an older phone because it's cheaper.....I don't need to have the latest and greatest, as long as it does what I need to I don't care if some think that it is 'out of date'.....besides if you have those phones in stock you have to get rid of the inventory somehow....so many people just refuse to go the stores and insist on doing all their u...
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inferno329

Sep 5, 2012, 10:14 AM
I wasn't saying if someone came in asking for just the lumia i would laugh at them, i said if they were compairing the lumia to the GS3... and i guess i dont mean i would literally laugh at them, but more so just think it was a dumb comparison.
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Jellz

Sep 3, 2012, 7:10 AM
I walked in saying I was considering the Galaxy S III or Nokia Lumia 900 and the salesman almost laughed with saying that the Lumia is nowhere as good as the Galaxy S III.
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T Bone

Sep 3, 2012, 9:36 AM
I used to be an at&t employee, not in sales but in customer service and technical support...and we were forbidden from recommending a particular phone to customers, or from telling customers not to buy a particular phone, and if we had violated that, we were subject to termination....we were allowed to answer questions about phones...tell them what features they had and whatnot, but we were forbidden from telling them to buy or not buy specific phones....it's ridiculous the way salesmen try to push their own preferences on everyone else...
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Jellz

Sep 3, 2012, 10:02 AM
I work for the online Sales chat and I'm told to ask what the customer needs from a phone and recommend from there. I certainly don't get paid a bonus for Android/iPhone sales, I get the same sale credit for a ditsy GoPhone on the 10c/minute plan as I do for a five-line family plan with all iPhones.

I'll have fun with recommendations and try to recommend phones that aren't quite as popular, most notably Windows phones. The Nokia Lumia 900 is pretty popular online.
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hobble

Sep 3, 2012, 12:03 PM
In my real sales position, I guide people to what device they want. I hate hate hate apple products, but I sell more of them than basic messenger phones and androids. But the revenue from Iphones is great. Apples to andriods however, iphones don't hold a candle to even the s2. It's about what the customer wants and can afford. I've only sold one windows phone, the samsung focus.
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Versed

Sep 1, 2012, 10:29 PM
John,
At first, I used to see fanboism on both the deep rooted Android and iPhone devotees, I like both systems and never quite got that nuts over either platform. After all they're phone OS's not a friggin religious war. But, Apple has gone past the pale in their litigations against Samsung and others, not sure if I will buy another device from them, or computer. At this point, I just wish they would practice self fornication.
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bluecoyote

Sep 2, 2012, 12:05 AM
States the simplest explanation is often the most correct.

Here's the simplest explanation:

1) Apple isn't out to eliminate their competition. They simply want their competition to be competition, not lazy knockoffs. Samsung was being downright lazy about designing their products (see their internal emails cited in the trial.) What's offensive is that they're copying some of Apple's dumbest, most craptacular things (see the craptastic fake-leather Calendar on the Galaxy Note 10.1 as a perfect example.)


    Evidence that Apple doesn't want to eliminate competition:
    1) Apple has licensed its design patents to Microsoft, who is rumored to price-bomb their upcoming tablet.
    2) Apple offered to license its design patents to Samsun
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Slammer

Sep 2, 2012, 12:27 PM
Bluecoyote,

First:

There are times when the Occam theory can be beneficial in trying to deduce unknown answers, but Einstein would also question the accuracy of "Positivism". It can be drawn up on the basis of biased opinion being prejudice when dealing with arguments such as the one you keep defending.

Secondly:

No Blue, I don't know Tim anymore than I knew Steve. And I personally don't think you do either. But no one needs to. They are two different people that command or commanded the very same company. The problem is, Apple was built and constructed around Steve Jobs by Steve Jobs. Not Tim Cook. Steve lived and breathed Apple and Apple followed Steve's every lead. History proves Apple couldn't survive without him. Apple brin...
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NonBiasedRep

Sep 4, 2012, 12:58 PM
Well spoken
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Versed

Sep 2, 2012, 5:09 PM
Honestly,
I think Apple has gone over the edge. As far as MSFT goes, they've had agreements since like the early or mid 90's. I own Apple products, using an iMac now. I just find it disgusting how they are manipulating the patent system to restrict others. Comparing the Galaxy lines to their, yes there is some similarities, most do to function. If the Wright Brothers or their decedents used the same logic as Apple, they'd be suing everyone from Air Bus to Lockheed because all have wings and fly.
In saying all of this, I happen to like my iMac and OSX, I think think the iPhone is a great product but needs a major update. I don't get into this whole fanboi crap between phone OS's. And believe more products and choice avai...
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hepresearch

Sep 2, 2012, 10:24 PM
Alright, so you dredge up Occam's Razor to justify Apple's behavior as being consistent with the rule of elegant simplicity... but is Apple's behavior really the rule, or could it just as well be an exception to the rule? Occam's Razor, as applied by many who fail to understand it properly, is often seen as the reason why conspiracies cannot, and must never, exist. However, the fact is that Occam's Razor simply observes that complex systems are RARE... it does not preclude their existence entirely.

Here is another idea... Apple isn't out to eliminate Google or Samsung... they are, however, out to make the market less competitive against their products and the products of friendlies (Sony, Microsoft)... this is an easy task, since it is ...
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Haggard

Sep 2, 2012, 8:17 AM
I want to know how people can determine Tim isn't fit to be in Steve Jobs shoes, Apple is still working on Steve's visions of products, we haven't seen anything of Tim's just yet, but you can expect it to be just as great. Sure, we won't get Steve's great announcements, the "One More Thing..." at the end of each announcement, but Steve wouldn't have picked up if he wasn't fit for the job.
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Haggard

Sep 2, 2012, 8:19 AM
picked up Tim*
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marufio

Sep 3, 2012, 8:04 PM
All Tim Cook has to do is follow Steve's outline for the future which should put Apple in a comfortable position for many years to come. That and all the patents. The thing with technology is it changes so rapidly. One year your number one the next your at the bottom. That is the only thing that can hurt Tim.
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