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Samsung Reveals Galaxy Note 2, Plans U.S. Version

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A bigger screen... but a lower resolution?

bluecoyote

Aug 29, 2012, 12:41 PM
I'm sorry, huh? Laughing
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Tofuchong

Aug 29, 2012, 12:46 PM
A higher res screen probably would have pushed the price point above what they wanted. Does it really matter?

It's a 720P screen, have you ever been watching a blu-ray or movie at 720P and thought, wow, those pixels are way too large? Probably not.
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bluecoyote

Aug 29, 2012, 1:12 PM
I'm sure it'd add cost, but they haven't announced pricing, and considering it's packing the same pixels as a One X but with almost 3/4ths of an extra inch, that's just sad, especially on a device where the selling point is the *stylus*

Besides, Samsung's already cutting corners with the craptastic plastic.
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Haggard

Aug 29, 2012, 1:16 PM
I don't like the fact that they are trying to make stylus's a necessary accessory again.
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Zpike

Aug 29, 2012, 1:36 PM
They're not. The phone works fine without it. But there are many of us who see the value of a stylus and would pay to have the extra functionality and precision it brings. Your statement is like complaining that pc manufacturers think you must have speakers. You're more than welcome to never hook them up, but you'll be missing out on that functionality. I'll never understand why people complain about extras that they can simply opt not to use.
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Magnagarde

Aug 29, 2012, 2:41 PM
So I can just throw out the stylus? And the phone will lose no functionality? Your argument is very strange, because you say that people can opt not to hook up speakers, but you also understand they're losing functionality. Then you conclude that you don't understand why people complain about features they can opt not to use. The reason people will opt not to use the stylus is because it's a huge inconvenience, especially on a capacitive touchscreen, where I can just use my finger. The fact that it gives extra functionality for something so inconvenient to use is why a lot of people, including myself, are not enthusiastic about the stylus.
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Zpike

Aug 29, 2012, 2:54 PM
I think you're confusing yourself there. I never said that you wouldn't lose any functionality if you didn't use the stylus, but that the phone would work fine without it. The purpose of the analogy was to clarify my statement (as is the case with most analogies). So you can conclude that my intention was very much that you can use your phone just fine without the stylus but that you would be missing out on all the awesomeness it provides, just like the video gamer who unplugs his speakers and misses all the cool sound effects. Not sure what you found strange about that. I get that the stylus is not for you, and I'm not going to try to convince you that it is. There are plenty of other non-stylus phones (every other handset out there) and I'...
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Magnagarde

Aug 29, 2012, 4:22 PM
I found it strange because of this line:

"I'll never understand why people complain about extras that they can simply opt not to use."

When right above it you said that we'd be missing out on cool features if we opt not to use it.

Anyways, it's a neat phone, but I think I'll pass.
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Captain Ahash

Aug 29, 2012, 6:38 PM
The point is if you bought the phone and had no interest in the stylus, you could use it identically to any other android phone, just with a 5.5" screen. The stylus is there for people who like to be able to use handwriting recognition software, or drawing apps, or for those who just generally prefer it for the precision. For general use it may not be useful, but if you've ever tried to draw a picture with your finger, a stylus offers a huge benefit under certain circumstances.
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Magnagarde

Aug 29, 2012, 6:54 PM
Well, now I see. I still think a stylus is a hinderance in just existing, but I could see where it would be useful.
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Haggard

Aug 29, 2012, 2:53 PM
Say you lose the stylus, now you have a huge open area on your device where the stylus was. You know the thing will get lost sooner or later.
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Zpike

Aug 29, 2012, 2:56 PM
If you can't keep up with a stylus, the device obviously isn't for you. But that's a far cry from your suggestion that Samsung wants to make it a mandatory peripheral for everyone.
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Haggard

Aug 30, 2012, 8:08 AM
I'm sure if you ask anyone that has dealt with a Palm Treo, or any other device previously that had a device that had a stylus, they would claim to have lost a few. My mom even had a Palm Treo, lost the stylus multiple times over the duration of having them since it was her work phone. The item has a port just for the stylus alone, it's in a sense like an SD card tray, it's there if you want/need it.
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Zpike

Aug 30, 2012, 11:28 AM
Yes, I have owned quite a few devices that had a stylus.Again, if you can't keep up with it the device probably isn't for you. But that's the joy of Android. You can still enjoy some other device that is for you.
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Zpike

Aug 29, 2012, 1:46 PM
PDA's started with the stylus and it worked just fine on much lower resolution screens, not to mention all the old PC stylus attachments that predate the era of PDA's and had even lower resolutions than those. The 720 p resolution is actually ridiculously good for a stylus. You're just pulling an arbitrary standard out of thin air and then criticizing the phone because it doesn't meet your standard. Last time I checked your beloved iPhone didn't have a stylus. So any stylus compatibility at all is better than that of the iPhone.
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bluecoyote

Aug 29, 2012, 2:10 PM
No, the iPhone doesn't, but my HTC Evo View does.

I like the stylus idea a lot, but I'm crapping on Samsung's execution, because they're cheaping out in areas that are also important to people who actually want to use a pressure-sensitive stylus (i.e. screen quality.)
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Zpike

Aug 29, 2012, 2:42 PM
The last stylus device I had was an HTC MDA 8525 - one heck of a beast in its day. I can only imagine that the experience on the Note 2 will be exponentially better. Are there better screens? Sure, but not many. Could the design have been better? Sure, but who is bringing that better design to market? And if no one else is even willing to step up to the plate how can we knock Samsung's offerings? Last I checked they're the only company with any recent offerings of innovative technologies like the stylus and pico projector. Sure, I would like to see those technologies get better, but Samsung seems to be the only company even trying. How can you knock them for doing what no one else is willing to do?
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bluecoyote

Aug 29, 2012, 3:01 PM
I can knock them because they're doing a terrible job. If you're going to do it, do it right. Don't do it half-arsed.

And of course it's a better device than an HTC MDA, but this is an entirely different thing. For one, they're grafting on pressure-sensitive Wacom stylus functionality, not using a cruddy resistive stylus your MDA used. Second, it's 2012, and for likely half the price someone who doesn't want a stylus can purchase a phone with a far superior screen. They're not up against an MDA 8525- they're up against a One X and an iPhone 5. Nobody wants to take a kick back in screen quality just to have a stylus- which is precisely the problem with the Note 10.1 .
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Zpike

Aug 29, 2012, 3:07 PM
They're the only game in town and competing only with themselves. If you want a stylus you only have one option. The Galaxy SIII is the offering that will compete head to head with the One X and the iPhone 5. It's about product placement and right now the Note is the king of the phablet. And if they're doing a terrible job making phablets, then everyone else is doing a worse job making them (because they're not). And you say no one wants these devices, but have you see the sales numbers for the original Note? You're clearly wrong.
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bluecoyote

Aug 29, 2012, 6:19 PM
Uh, the Galaxy Note sold so poorly in the U.S. that T-Mobile pulled it after 2 weeks. So no, you're clearly wrong.

But just because it's the only device in the category doesn't mean it's executed properly. The Note 10.1 is the only tablet with a pressure-sensitive stylus (excluding the now-dc'd Jetstream) and guess what? It's also terrible.

I have absolutely no idea why you're defending chintzy garbage with lousy execution simply because it's the only device in the category.
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srich27

Aug 30, 2012, 8:13 AM
Probably because the Note is an awesome device that sells well worldwide, regardless of how been received in the U.S.? Not my cup of tea, personally, but I definitely see the appeal.

You're trying to say that an awesome device that could improve a couple of things is a terrible device, and that makes no sense. You could of course just say that you don't like it and don't see the value in it, which is more understandable.
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Zpike

Aug 30, 2012, 11:44 AM
As of August 15, Samsung had sold 10 million Galaxy Notes. So I'd say the guy making up numbers out of thin air and who didn't bother to check the the sales figures in question is the one who's wrong. You pretend Samsung phones are junk, but Apple products are so much worse.The only thing they're good at is marketing. How can you justify advocating that garbage on a regular basis?
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Zpike

Aug 30, 2012, 12:07 PM
The official word from T-mobile is that they did not infact discontinue the Note but that they sold out of them.So the truth is quite the opposite of what you have suggested. The Note has actually sold better than anticipated in the US and has been very popular worldwide. This is reality whether or not you choose to accept it.
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KOL4420

Aug 29, 2012, 4:49 PM
So true. The human eye cant even really tell. HD quality screen is all I want doesnt matter about the resolution I am not going to spend my day watching movies or videos on my phone. Thats what I have a TV for Very Happy
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Zpike

Aug 29, 2012, 1:41 PM
Obviously, they're trying to fit the resolution to a standard. And if 720 p resolution looks good on a 42" TV, why wouldn't it look good on a 5.5" screen? Maybe they're not breaking the mold here, but that certainly wouldn't stop you from buying an iPhone now would it?
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bluecoyote

Aug 29, 2012, 6:24 PM
Actually, 720p doesn't exactly look good on a 42" TV for things like web site surfing- it looks grainy and cramped and worse than just about any laptop out htere.

It all comes down to usage. Sure, 720p is fine for movies. Same thing with this 'phablet' - for what having a 1024 point pressure sensitive stylus on it, a lower resolution screen is stupidly counterproductive.

(What I think is even more sad is the Note 10.1 has the *same* resolution screen- but that speaks volumes for Samsung's 'just build a bunch of crap instead of well thought out products' mentality)
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Willwise

Sep 3, 2012, 3:12 PM
You, know when I first joined phonescoop I an remember threads taking about the amazing res on some high quaility vga screens.( I'm not that old twas only about 7 years ago) Now I'm reading a thread that asks if 720p is too crappy. Got to love the way technology grows.

the simple fact of the matter is 720p is fine and few will notice the difference, and those that will either won't care or will get another device. I for one am excited to see how the phone performs.
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Willwise

Sep 3, 2012, 3:15 PM
I wish it would let me edit the last post, why is noone talking about the quade core processer. I'm not exactly a tech geek but that seems like a pretty fast processer.
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