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HeroPsychoDreamer

Feb 7, 2005, 6:11 PM
How would this benefit a cell phone user? I know that perhaps a person won't be able to get signal inside and then this would come in handy. But aside from that, what other sorts of benefits are there to doing this?
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lexical

Feb 7, 2005, 6:30 PM
I think this might be better for data... I agree with the comment of indoor usage but I cannot think of any greater benefit. Just have to wait and see the end result I guess 😉
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muchdrama

Feb 7, 2005, 6:33 PM
HeroPsychoDreamer said:
How would this benefit a cell phone user? I know that perhaps a person won't be able to get signal inside and then this would come in handy. But aside from that, what other sorts of benefits are there to doing this?
Apparently it'll benefit travelers. You'll be able to access GSM and GPRS services using unlicensed spectrum technologies like Bluetooth and WiFi. You'll be able to experience seamless handovers between cellular networks and public and private unlicensed networks. The handsets would be dual-mode of course. What I don't understand is the word "unlicensed"...how do you make roaming agreements with unlicensed networks?
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HeroPsychoDreamer

Feb 7, 2005, 7:14 PM
Aren't the frequencies used for WiFi and Bluetooth unlicensed? And those are the ones they plan on using right?
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scapegoat

Feb 7, 2005, 7:19 PM
I think this would mainly be usefull for data usage... being able to seamlessly transition from using the GPRS network to a local Wi-fi network...

Though i can see why carriers would be hesitant to use this.. less data revinew.
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PhoenixAshes

Feb 7, 2005, 11:07 PM
scapegoat said:
I think this would mainly be usefull for data usage... being able to seamlessly transition from using the GPRS network to a local Wi-fi network...

Though i can see why carriers would be hesitant to use this.. less data revinew.


Recently, gsm over wi-fi has also been introduced. So, it could also be used for voice as well in future applications.
Unlicensed air would be an immense change in the way we do business. It's really all about the amount of access and coverage.
What would be more cost effective? You can easily make 1000 wifi access points for the cost of one small cell cite.
Imagine a suped up wifi with ranges of a few 100 yards and bluetooth devices with ranges of a few hun...
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thecellavenger

Feb 8, 2005, 2:03 PM
Yes, indeed. I met this dude in a special ops unit in the air force who told me about this experiment that they were doing with bluetooth-style technology (Probably WiFi, but whatever). He said that by merely using a Bionic Ear (those megaphone looking things that lets you hear stuff from really far away...) and modifying it to transmit, they were able to project the signal over 2 miles. Now, he may have been full of crap, but I still think the potential there is pretty substantial for this bluetooth world you speak of.
But do you really think the major carriers will be satisfied with only the monthly charge? I could see it, but I could also see them doing something amazingly creative to seduce more money from the pocket-book...
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amosjones

Feb 7, 2005, 8:23 PM
From what I hear it is more of an Enterprise Business Product. Big Companies like Ford have contract out with cell phone compaies and get rid of their land line phones.

The benifit is to the business having a WiFi VoIP netowrk in the office, that way it you can use the office line at work and your personal phone at home but always use the same handset.
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Rich Brome

Feb 8, 2005, 12:00 AM
What you'll see are a lot more bundling deals. Companies like Verizon and SBC+Cingular will be able to offer you a more compelling reason to ditch your landline, but not ditch your landline... 😉

So Verizon will try to sell you DSL that comes with a wireless router, and bundle it with Verizon Wireless service and a wi-fi / CDMA combo phone. You'll have the convenience of a single phone (no separate landline), but with perfect coverage and lower rates when you're at home. Minutes can be cheaper than a landline because it's VoIP, and cheaper than CDMA because you're not using network resources. Plus you get all your phone and broadband services on one bill.

So the benefit to consumers is better service and lower rates.

The benefi...
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lexical

Feb 8, 2005, 12:26 AM
😲 Oooohhh.... Now that make sense. I would actually use that. Now, I wonder if this would work on the data side with Bluetooth if obex is disable (ie V710). Would you still be able to download apps when accessing it through a Bluetooth UMA?
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Rich Brome

Feb 8, 2005, 12:48 AM
Well, UMA can be implemented over Bluetooth OR wi-fi. I think the idea is generally one or the other. If it's Bluetooth, then your DSL router would have Bluetooth instead of wi-fi, and I think the phone would have a whole separate Bluetooth profile for UMA.

It wouldn't have anything to do with OBEX or anything like that.

The idea behind UMA is that it tunnels the entire CDMA or GSM connection over IP, and the IP connection at the phone end can be over wi-fi or Bluetooth.
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jwbass1985

Feb 8, 2005, 9:25 AM
Is there any idea how long it will take companies to push this out?
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PooFlinger1

Feb 8, 2005, 12:56 PM
Rich Brome said:
Well, UMA can be implemented over Bluetooth OR wi-fi. I think the idea is generally one or the other. If it's Bluetooth, then your DSL router would have Bluetooth instead of wi-fi, and I think the phone would have a whole separate Bluetooth profile for UMA.


I dont think they will ever replace wifi with bluetooth on such broadband applications for a few reasons. First, Bluetooth operates at a MUCH slower speed (about 800 kbps) compared to 802.11g (54 Mbps). At a full speed of 800 kbps, you would never see a download speed faster than 100 KBps, and if other users get on, you can expect speeds to drop even further. Second, bluetooth has a lacking range of only 30 or so feet whereas wifi ha...
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jnoel

Feb 8, 2005, 9:13 AM
Here is why I am soooo excited...

No carrier has ceverage at my home. My town did not allow any towers for years, and now only alows one. My house is in a area where NOBODY has ever had coverage at my house.

This technology solves that issue. Probably not for just me too!

Jason
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