Verizon Wireless Sued Over V710 Bluetooth Limitations
Rock and a Hard Place
Oh and the statement, "connect to your PC or PDA whenever and wherever you want." That's true--> you can connect to your PC or PDA to connect to the internet, that's is all. When I read that statement I don't automatically assume in can connect to my pc or pda to UPLOAD/DOWNLOAD OBJECTS.
And this is coming from a person that doesnt like Verizon. But just because I dont like them doesnt mean im going to shove my head up my ass, act ignorant about the sunject at hand and curse them ever chance I get, I have a little more class than that.
Yeah, most of the phones support that profile. But then comes along a phone that doesnt and everyones crying crocodile tears because THEY payed for the phone, because THEY wanted something, but THEY didnt take out the time to get t...
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akaszuba said:
I cant even imagine how you people would go car shopping. "What?! This car cant fly in the air like an airplane!? The ad said that this car flys!!!!!! But it doesnt fly like an airplane, Im sueing Ford!". I think it would be something alone the lines of that.
Just my 2 cents, dont spend it all in one place.
A closer analogy would be if all your friends had bought identical or substantially similar models of Ford from different dealers, all of which did indeed fly, but you bought yours from Dealer X who disabled the flight function because Dealer X owns a lot of stock in airlines. I feel that a customer has a reasonable expectation, if they have checked out the phone through the ma...
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Aleq said:...akaszuba said:
I cant even imagine how you people would go car shopping. "What?! This car cant fly in the air like an airplane!? The ad said that this car flys!!!!!! But it doesnt fly like an airplane, Im sueing Ford!". I think it would be something alone the lines of that.
Just my 2 cents, dont spend it all in one place.
A closer analogy would be if all your friends had bought identical or substantially similar models of Ford from different dealers, all of which did indeed fly, but you bought yours from Dealer X who disabled the flight function because Dealer X owns a lot of stock in airlines. I feel that a customer has a reasonable expectation, if they have check
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Aleq said:
Why, if you are researching a Motorola phone, would you go to a Verizon web site to find out the functions? .
Um, because you are buying the phone through Verizon Wireless to use with Verizon Wireless' service, and has been configured to operate *by* Verizon Wireless.
If you were purchasing the phone directly through Motorola then i could see your point.
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Aleq said:
Too bad more VZW reps didn't have the same point of view...
Who's to say they don't? Or course with all of your careful ethical checks of your actions, im sure you wouldnt make that statement unless you had some proof yourself that specific VzW reps acted otherwise.....
Aleq said:
Elsewhere in this discussion was an example of a VZW customer being told by a store rep that file transfer was enabled on the handset, then when challenged to prove it with the customer's BT laptop backed down and said they couldn't prove it because they weren't allowed to mess with someone's equipment. Hmmm. Sounds like somebody being caught out in a BS mode to me, but YMMV...
Ah silly me. Someone else posted an anonymous story on a message board about it. Ethical check clears there, that's airtight!
schnozejt said:
Seems like VZW was stuck in between BREW developers and customers; VZW would been sued either way, for example if the V710 had full all profiles enabled then VZW would of been sued by the BREW developers.
Oh and the statement, "connect to your PC or PDA whenever and wherever you want." That's true--> you can connect to your PC or PDA to connect to the internet, that's is all. When I read that statement I don't automatically assume in can connect to my pc or pda to UPLOAD/DOWNLOAD OBJECTS.
why else would you want to connect to your pc if you couldn't upload/download?? i think verizon deserves to be sued for this..clearly a case of false advertising...
verizon sucks..
joachim said:...schnozejt said:
Seems like VZW was stuck in between BREW developers and customers; VZW would been sued either way, for example if the V710 had full all profiles enabled then VZW would of been sued by the BREW developers.
Oh and the statement, "connect to your PC or PDA whenever and wherever you want." That's true--> you can connect to your PC or PDA to connect to the internet, that's is all. When I read that statement I don't automatically assume in can connect to my pc or pda to UPLOAD/DOWNLOAD OBJECTS.
why else would you want to connect to your pc if you couldn't upload/download?? i think verizon deserves to be sued for this..clearly a case of false advertising...
veri
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It wouldn't even make it out of the showroom before some one filed suit.
Same difference.
VOLVORacr said:
Think of it this way. How would you feel if you bought a new Vette (or a s60R in my case)and advertised "0-60 in 3 sec.". But then limited it to 60 mph because they had an agreement with the D.O.T. they wouldn't let anyone speed.
It wouldn't even make it out of the showroom before some one filed suit.
Same difference.
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That is a great analogy.
jramossteel said:VOLVORacr said:
Think of it this way. How would you feel if you bought a new Vette (or a s60R in my case)and advertised "0-60 in 3 sec.". But then limited it to 60 mph because they had an agreement with the D.O.T. they wouldn't let anyone speed.
It wouldn't even make it out of the showroom before some one filed suit.
Same difference.
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That is a great analogy.
This is a terrible analogy. First of all, there is no way a car could go 0-60 m.p.h. in such a fashion. It's a goddamn miracle feat to even do it. If it did have the capability, though, what would It do stop accelerating at 60 and remain at that speed? It would ...
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Stevo2k4 said:...jramossteel said:VOLVORacr said:
Think of it this way. How would you feel if you bought a new Vette (or a s60R in my case)and advertised "0-60 in 3 sec.". But then limited it to 60 mph because they had an agreement with the D.O.T. they wouldn't let anyone speed.
It wouldn't even make it out of the showroom before some one filed suit.
Same difference.
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That is a great analogy.
This is a terrible analogy. First of all, there is no way a car could go 0-60 m.p.h. in such a fashion. It's a goddamn miracle feat to even do it. If it did have the capability, though, what would It do stop accelerating at 60 a
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What if the dealer told you that they were going to fix it and then after your 15 day trial period ended, they told you they had no intention of doing so?
phonescoopjunkie said:
"Even if this mythical situation existed... If you buy a corvette and never investigate it's top speed before purchasing it, how is that anyone's fault but your own?"
What if the dealer told you that they were going to fix it and then after your 15 day trial period ended, they told you they had no intention of doing so?
Well, lemon laws last longer than 15 days, but that's beside the point... Know of any evidence to support your claim? If VzW said they were going to provide a software upgrade for the V710, that doesn't mean it'll be an OBEX update, and it definately doesn't specify a time...
Why are you guys so defending Verizon. I work for a carrier, formerly another carrier. I don't care if they get sued, if they did something wrong. You and I both know that with such a large company, there was bound to be a rep that lied about this. I hear people lie from time to time. It makes me sad, but it happens. My question is, why dig in your heels and defend Verizon? You know that they did this. You know that they were wrong. Shame on them.
phonescoopjunkie said:
I was just running with the lame example.
Why are you guys so defending Verizon. I work for a carrier, formerly another carrier. I don't care if they get sued, if they did something wrong. You and I both know that with such a large company, there was bound to be a rep that lied about this. I hear people lie from time to time. It makes me sad, but it happens. My question is, why dig in your heels and defend Verizon? You know that they did this. You know that they were wrong. Shame on them.
Well first off, I don't work for Verizon Wireless. Secondly, I don't think VzW did anything illegal. I'm not digging in my heels. Frankly this suit doesn't effect me one way or the other. Wh...
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a) people don't always have time/interest to research every aspect of a product they buy
b) VZW should train its sales associates to sell phones that are practical to the consumer at hand and be honest and upfront about features - but does not.
c) people should be held somewhat responsible for their lack of research.
d) There is no reason anyone should be getting this heated about this.
The absolute bottom line is that VZW (as a company) did nothing illegal. They were dishonest and the actions taken by such a company are dispicable IMO, but that doesn't mean they should be sued. For the people quoting buyer beware over and over ...
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shadedpain4 said:...Stevo2k4 said:jramossteel said:VOLVORacr said:
Think of it this way. How would you feel if you bought a new Vette (or a s60R in my case)and advertised "0-60 in 3 sec.". But then limited it to 60 mph because they had an agreement with the D.O.T. they wouldn't let anyone speed.
It wouldn't even make it out of the showroom before some one filed suit.
Same difference.
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That is a great analogy.
This is a terrible analogy. First of all, there is no way a car could go 0-60 m.p.h. in such a fashion. It's a goddamn miracle feat to even do it. If it did have the capability, though, what
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schnozejt said:I've been waiting for something like this to happen to Verizon...hopefully it'll make them realize that people want more than just "Get It Now". Between BREW and their own internal corporate policies, Verizon's managed to get themselves into a pickle.
Seems like VZW was stuck in between BREW developers and customers; VZW would been sued either way, for example if the V710 had full all profiles enabled then VZW would of been sued by the BREW developers.
phonescoopjunkie said:Verizon's managed to get themselves into a pickle.
SWEET PICKLES!!!Ugh. Sour pickles all the way.
How bout vzw's new price plans?
Big Daddy said:
I SAY STICK IT TO VERIZON, SHUT EM DOWN, WHO NEEDS EM? I SURE AS HELL DONT 😈
I need them. I like being able to make calls wherever I go with crystal-clear quality.
BigMacDoodle said:Big Daddy said:
I SAY STICK IT TO VERIZON, SHUT EM DOWN, WHO NEEDS EM? I SURE AS HELL DONT 😈
I need them. I like being able to make calls wherever I go with crystal-clear quality.
I do too, Thats why I am with Cingular, who doesn't have high roaming charges or uses Analog in Rural areas, And who doesn't cripple BT functionality!
Aleq said:
Actually, Bluetooth was developed and originally marketed by Tektronix...
I dont know who told you that, but whoever it was, lied to you. Sorry to break it to you, you're wrong. Ericsson is and was and will always be the original developer of Bluetooth technology.
BigMacDoodle said:
Look at the maps. The two companies have very similar coverage areas with one difference. Where Cingular has no service, Verizon has roaming. Roaming charges are better than no coverage.
Its real easy to never get a roaming charge on Cingular when they set the PRL list to only work on non roaming systems. I'd rather have the CHOICE of using my phone in a roaming area rather than being shut down. Kinda sounds like the 710 lawsuit. Maybe someone should sue Cingular for disabling their phones in roaming areas.
Correct me if I am wrong on this but this is they way I understand it to be.
And again ANYWHERE means you can use bluetooth anywhere on the planet...ANYwhere ANYtime. ANd you cant.SO its misleading.....you shouldnt have to try to think of ways you can/ cant use the bluetooth...like us...if we are ,then its misleading. If we both have a different view of how the bluetooth works then verizon didnt do a good job of telling us what the bluetooth can really do did they ?
Silverdale_man said:
They tell us becuase its their job, thats why they are getting sued...the didnt tell anyone at the get go it didnt have obex and now the people that bought the phone for that reason are mad..and feel ripped off. As far as connecting to the computer..but not being able to do anything. Come on..how ridiculous does that sound..if you cant do anything ..then whats the point. the reason they have bluetooth is so that you can accomplish someting. Wouldnt that be the point to have bluetooth in a phone?? to accomplish something ?
"But...it goes to eleven!" 🤣
If you connect to your computer thru bluetooth for dialup networking "which is all you can do for bluetooth connecting to the computer aspect"and your in an area thats doesnt have data service...what did you just accomplish from that? nothing. The end result was you connected to your computer so that you could do nothing! That dont sound like anyplace anytime...now does it. Sure you were able to get the phone to pair with the computer...but you couldnt actualy do anything. Again if we have to try to explain our side of the story...then verizons anytime anywhere wasnt explained and thats why they are getting sued.
Silverdale_man said:
They tell us becuase its their job, thats why they are getting sued...the didnt tell anyone at the get go it didnt have obex and now the people that bought the phone for that reason are mad..and feel ripped off. As far as connecting to the computer..but not being able to do anything. Come on..how ridiculous does that sound..if you cant do anything ..then whats the point. the reason they have bluetooth is so that you can accomplish someting. Wouldnt that be the point to have bluetooth in a phone?? to accomplish something ?
Verizon has a 15 day satisfaction guarantee. Wouldn't you figure out the phone doesn't work the way you thought in that time period and return it? This lawsuit will...
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Verizon Sucks!
Tim
VZW reps are not the all-knowing tech geeks that most people on here seem to want them to absolutely be. The fact is sales reps are paid on commission, and for the most part know enough about the product to answer 99% of the questions that the average consumer needs answered. The higher priced phones are obviously not the hottest selling items in any wireless provider's store, and never will be. A similar industr...
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