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dlmjr

Mar 8, 2012, 3:18 PM
It is debateable if the FCC has overstepped it's mandates by forcing carriers into roaming agreements.

I know that there will be a ton of 'nu uhhh' posts, but the FCC has evolved since it's inception.

It's scope has broadened from assuring that radio stations didn't overpower each other to beins some sort of public advocate over prices and tons of things that weren't origianlly envisioned.

There is not constitutional right to cellular service. Plain and simple.

Forcing corporations into business practices 'for the good of the people' is somewhat socialistic and if it goes too far, we might as well throw free market to the wolves.

Now here come the nu-uhhh posts and the 'it's public resource' spectrum arguments.

I respect t...
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JBlaze74

Mar 8, 2012, 3:31 PM
I agree with you. Big government should not be mixing with big business. The big question is if the FCC forced the roaming agreements as a knee-jerk reaction to smaller carriers not being able to obtain spectrum licensing because bigger companies bought it up before regulators were paying attention. Personally, I don't feel the federal government has the right to force agreements like that on the private sector, and shouldn't, especially if it is a CYA situation because of a lack of regulation on spectrum licensing that caused the problem.

Now here's the twist. The FCC has seen plenty of fire coming there way, especially on here, when it comes to regulating spectrum licensing. Ends up being a Catch-22, and I truly do not envy their ...
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T Bone

Mar 8, 2012, 3:33 PM
"It is debateable if the FCC has overstepped it's mandates by forcing carriers into roaming agreements."

It is even more debatale whether the very existence of the FCC is constitutional. It's existence has been challenged on constitutional grounds before, and the Supreme Court ruled that the agency passes constitutional muster due to the alleged 'scarcity of the airwaves'.....but in these days of cable and satellite TV that offers hundreds of channels, and satellite radio that offers similar number of radio stations, not to mention Internet radio....that argument simply has no merit. The airwaves are anything but 'scarce' in the 21st century.

And you are quite right that the FCC's mandate has broadened, but the truly frightening thin...
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T Bone

Mar 8, 2012, 3:34 PM
"It is time to reign it in, if not abolish it altogether."

Before anyone else mentions it, I meant 'rein them in', not 'reign'..... Very Happy
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Jarahawk

Mar 8, 2012, 3:50 PM
"It's existence has been challenged on constitutional grounds before..."

Its not it's



"And each timne..."

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Jarahawk

Mar 8, 2012, 3:40 PM
Yeah. The FCC should just let companies do whatever they want. Rolling Eyes
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dlmjr

Mar 8, 2012, 4:26 PM
Jarahawk said:
Yeah. The FCC should just let companies do whatever they want. Rolling Eyes


Got any more straw men you wanna erect?
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furyx639

Mar 8, 2012, 4:21 PM
Some things have to be regulated, especially if they are a finite resource. Would you rather one company owns the licenses to all spectrum, and every other company goes bankrupt because they lack the ability to compete.

A capitalism can only strive if competition exists in the market. If the only companies who were allowed to be successful were AT&T and Verizon, and they continued to mirror each others price hikes, we would essentially have a monopoly.
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dlmjr

Mar 8, 2012, 4:32 PM
furyx639 said:
Some things have to be regulated, especially if they are a finite resource. Would you rather one company owns the licenses to all spectrum, and every other company goes bankrupt because they lack the ability to compete.

A capitalism can only strive if competition exists in the market. If the only companies who were allowed to be successful were AT&T and Verizon, and they continued to mirror each others price hikes, we would essentially have a monopoly.


Well, somewhere I must have advocated zero regulation, or else you wouldn't have posted this?

Ok, I checked.
No I didn't.

You lose.
Try again.
Find some one else to attribute non existant positions to.

What I said is they possi...
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furyx639

Mar 8, 2012, 4:37 PM
Somewhere I must have said something the elicited your asshole response, or else you wouldn't have responded like such a dick?

Ok, I checked.
No I didn't.

You're a dick.
Try again.
Find some one else to troll.

I made a valid point in response to your valid point, there's no need to be a complete douche-bag about it.
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dlmjr

Mar 8, 2012, 11:20 PM
furyx639 said:
Somewhere I must have said something the elicited your asshole response, or else you wouldn't have responded like such a dick?

Ok, I checked.
No I didn't.

You're a dick.
Try again.
Find some one else to troll.

I made a valid point in response to your valid point, there's no need to be a complete douche-bag about it.


The fact that I did not advocate zero regulation has no relevance to your reply, I guess.
Maybe I missed something.
You replied to my posit that the FCC might have overstepped with something like 'we need regulation'... as if I advocated no regulation...
chill dude...
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Jarahawk

Mar 9, 2012, 5:59 AM
Why even bother post if you're going to have a kitten when someone disagrees with you?
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dlmjr

Mar 9, 2012, 12:30 PM
Jarahawk said:
Why even bother post if you're going to have a kitten when someone disagrees with you?


I could ask you the same question, but I won't.
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JBlaze74

Mar 8, 2012, 6:50 PM
I honestly don't believe anyone is arguing for deregulation. The question at hand here is power. The basic answer when it comes to how much power the government or any entity of the government will take is as much as we let them. I call it the foot in the door theory. As soon as the government is allowed to get their foot in the door of anything in the private sector, they use the other foot to kick the door open as wide as possible.
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dlmjr

Mar 8, 2012, 11:23 PM
JBlaze74 said:
I honestly don't believe anyone is arguing for deregulation. The question at hand here is power. The basic answer when it comes to how much power the government or any entity of the government will take is as much as we let them. I call it the foot in the door theory. As soon as the government is allowed to get their foot in the door of anything in the private sector, they use the other foot to kick the door open as wide as possible.


It has an ancient equivalent...

The camel and the tent.
Let him get his nose in, and before you know it, you are wondering why he's in the tent and where you are going to sleep.
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furyx639

Mar 8, 2012, 11:28 PM
I completely agree with your statement. My point was mostly to the fact that, at this point, the regulation they're trying to enforce doesn't seem too unreasonable.

I do think, however, that there must be some regulation of the FCC as well to ensure roaming agreements aren't unfairly benefiting any particular company as dlmjr pointed out.

Whatever ends up happening should be beneficial not only to the consumers, but to the carriers on both ends of the roaming agreements.

No company should be allowed to hoard spectrum all for themselves in one area while customers suffer. Customers should be allowed a choice between two or more companies where they live/work, and a lot of times this isn't the case. There are many places where one com...
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dlmjr

Mar 9, 2012, 12:12 PM
furyx639 said:
I completely agree with your statement. My point was mostly to the fact that, at this point, the regulation they're trying to enforce doesn't seem too unreasonable.

I do think, however, that there must be some regulation of the FCC as well to ensure roaming agreements aren't unfairly benefiting any particular company as dlmjr pointed out.

Whatever ends up happening should be beneficial not only to the consumers, but to the carriers on both ends of the roaming agreements.

No company should be allowed to hoard spectrum all for themselves in one area while customers suffer. Customers should be allowed a choice between two or more companies where they live/work, and a lot of times this isn't the case.
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Versed

Mar 9, 2012, 1:18 PM
Well there it is, why bother erecting towers and infrastructure in one's system, when you can cry to the FCC and have them mandate other companies provide it for you at a price that you want to pay. I can understand agreements when out of one's area, having communications available is in both the consumer and national interest. But forcing LTE and data roaming is something else.
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JBlaze74

Mar 9, 2012, 5:55 PM
I find it truly amazing how downright Orwellian our society has gotten. Bad enough when Big Brother is already watching, people or businesses being on their knees begging Big Brother to take care of them. This cannot end well.
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