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Will LightSquared sue the government?

GettingSleepy

Mar 7, 2012, 10:28 AM
LightSquared gives billions of dollars to the government to acquire spectrum licenses, then the government tells them they can't use it. It would be like Verizon or AT&T selling phones that are designed to not work on their networks.
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dlmjr

Mar 7, 2012, 11:33 AM
GettingSleepy said:
LightSquared gives billions of dollars to the government to acquire spectrum licenses, then the government tells them they can't use it. It would be like Verizon or AT&T selling phones that are designed to not work on their networks.


LightSquared still has the spectrum and may use it for the purposes it was acquired for.

You really should do some research into the matter. You seem to lack understanding here.
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Jayshmay

Mar 7, 2012, 11:42 AM
OBVIOUSLY that's why he posted here, to get understanding, duh!!!
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GettingSleepy

Mar 7, 2012, 11:46 AM
Ok, LightSquared originally purchased the spectrum for satellite communication and not LTE. So you're saying if LightSquared used their spectrum for satellite communication it wouldn't interfere with GPS systems?
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Fredd

Mar 7, 2012, 11:51 AM
I believe they ARE using it for satellite communications!
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Fredd

Mar 7, 2012, 11:53 AM
Yup! From their web site:
LightSquared has been delivering mobile satellite voice and data services to North America since 1995 over its MSAT-1 and MSAT-2 satellites. Today hundreds of thousands of devices operate using the LightSquared SkyTerra 1 satellite, providing reliable, ubiquitous coverage primarily for public safety, security, fleet management and asset tracking.

http://www.lightsquared.com/what-we-do/satellite-ser ... »
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GettingSleepy

Mar 7, 2012, 11:55 AM
And this has been on the same frequency as what their LTE network was going to be on?
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dlmjr

Mar 7, 2012, 3:09 PM
sattelite signals are so weak they do not interfere
once you start building towers on earth and blasting out on that frequency, thats when the interference starts
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Fredd

Mar 7, 2012, 4:04 PM
Moot question.
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planethulk

Mar 8, 2012, 6:19 PM
Your idea of "understanding" seems to be more like "parrot what I say". Parrot the parrot? Rolling Eyes
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Fredd

Mar 7, 2012, 11:47 AM
Manufacturers must submit phones to the FCC for prior approval.

Null argument.
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GettingSleepy

Mar 7, 2012, 11:53 AM
... my point was that LightSquared purchased something from the government for a lot of money and now the government is telling them they can't use what they purchased. If you don't like the cellphones example, then it would be like DISH Network signing people up for their TV service, then not broadcasting any stations.
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lostandfound

Mar 7, 2012, 12:45 PM
Hi GetingSleepy,
Please understand that LightSquared did not buy spectrum for terrestrial purposes. The licenses they acquired from the government and through the acquisition of TerreStar were for satellite deployment.
Remember that spectrum is a public resource. Companies only acquire licenses to use that spectrum.

Thanks
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GettingSleepy

Mar 7, 2012, 12:53 PM
Hi. When I say purchase I meant purchasing the licenses, not the spectrum itself. So even if LightSquared uses the spectrum for satellite technology, won't that still cause interference with GPS devices?
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JBlaze74

Mar 7, 2012, 1:29 PM
The way I understood the issue before, and if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone here will correct me, is that LS was trying to implement a terrestrial based LTE network with the spectrum they had licensed. The GPS interference came from the spectrum being used on the ground instead of being used for satellite communications as it was originally intended. I don't think anyone really foresaw the interference issue prior to testing, but we all know the results.
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Snapper314

Mar 7, 2012, 2:32 PM
JBlaze74 said:
The way I understood the issue before, and if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone here will correct me, is that LS was trying to implement a terrestrial based LTE network with the spectrum they had licensed. The GPS interference came from the spectrum being used on the ground instead of being used for satellite communications as it was originally intended. I don't think anyone really foresaw the interference issue prior to testing, but we all know the results.


Correct. The problem started when LightSquared announced their plan to use the spectrum (originally intended only for satellite communications) for a Terrestrial LTE system.

And I believe there were people who expected issues with this p...
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atandtrep

Mar 7, 2012, 3:11 PM
I think light squared knew there would be issues, but they thought that the fcc, would force gps manufacturers to modify their equipment so it no longer bled over onto LS spectrum. They bet wrong, the GPS industry's lobbyist must have been more persausive then LS's.
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dlmjr

Mar 8, 2012, 1:50 PM
atandtrep said:
I think light squared knew there would be issues, but they thought that the fcc, would force gps manufacturers to modify their equipment so it no longer bled over onto LS spectrum. They bet wrong, the GPS industry's lobbyist must have been more persausive then LS's.


Sorry, but GPS does not bleed over into the LS spectrum holdings.
That is not the problem.
The GPS signals are very, very weak and require exceptional amplifiers to use the signal on the earths surface.
LS proposal to build land based broadcast equipment to effect a terrestrial LTE network using their spectrum holdings would cause bleed over into the GPS devices.
Granted some of the devices do not have highly tuned filter...
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dlmjr

Mar 7, 2012, 3:19 PM
GettingSleepy said:
Hi. When I say purchase I meant purchasing the licenses, not the spectrum itself. So even if LightSquared uses the spectrum for satellite technology, won't that still cause interference with GPS devices?


No.
satellite signals are very weak
the amount of broadcast power is low and the distances from the satellite is huge so the signal is extremely seak and requires some very, very good terrestrial amplifiers to be useable

LS spectrum lease was for that purpose.
They ginned up a scheme to use that spectrum via terrestrial towers at much higher power levels and much closer distances

The FCC gave a waiver or tentative approval, IF they could prove that their system would not inte...
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JBlaze74

Mar 7, 2012, 3:51 PM
all the time. It's great how government by the people works, isn't it? Surprised
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Fredd

Mar 7, 2012, 4:14 PM
Your arguements are weak and ill informed.
Your analogies are improper and inadequate.

Lightsquared purchased spectrum licenses for extraterrestrial use many years ago, and have been successfully using it for the licensed purposes since the late 90's. They came up with an idea to expand the usage beyond the original intention, but it will not work (at present).

Your Dish Network example does not fit, as nothing has been sold.
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insider.

Mar 8, 2012, 4:51 PM
LightSquared pettitioned the US government for a condititional allowance for them as a special exception.....This was with the provision that they could make it work without interference.....something they could not previously accomplish. LS said *yes*, they can make it work, no problem modifying the signals. Truth is, they failed.
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