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AT&T Publishes Public Letter Refuting Verizon Wireless Ads

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TheChampIsHere

Nov 16, 2009, 9:44 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but...

This whole "legal" battle between AT&T and VZ its kinda like if McDonald's went after Burger King for their double cheese burger adds comparing the size of their double cheese burgers to McD's double cheese burgers Drooling or even if Microsoft Twisted Evil went after Apple Twisted Evil for the PC VS MAC commercials. Those companies dont have time for all that when they are just standing on their own two feet just fine. Shouldn't AT&T do the same. (not an AT&T hater or VZ lover by any means also Smile )What do yall think Rolling Eyes
I totally agree. The adds are the exact same idea. I don't know why AT&T thinks they are any different.
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snowbdr89

Nov 16, 2009, 7:05 PM

at@t 3g is a joke!!

i have been with both sprint and at@t and currently I'm with verizon and without a doubt verizon has the best coverage!! i spend alot of my time in the mountain areas and i always have coverage with verizon but rarely had coverage with sprint or at@t. Very Happy
THANK YOU! Everytime I go out of town with my family or friends, or if they tell me stories about how they go out of town, the only person that does have coverage no matter where they go is the person that has Verizon.
SugaR-E

Nov 17, 2009, 4:41 PM

ok wow

If you actually go to the link to their page it states that they sell the most popular smartphones in the cell phone industry. Wow. I didn't know that the iPhone was more then one phone. That is the only phone that is going through a frenzy, yet verizonwireless came out with the enV Touch, blackberry storm 1 & 2, droid, droid eris, and many more throughout the whole time they are still with the iPhone. Verizon has different brands, not just one.
USCCFANINKS

Nov 13, 2009, 3:31 PM

COME ON AT&T!!!

You work the legal system like Nebraska's Offense, always shooting yourself in the foot .... I don't like either VZW or AT&T, but I have to side with VZW on this one. regardless of who's 3G is "faster" in lab tests, EVDO is more consistent, and is in more places.
This is so dumb of a move, even Sprint wouldn't pull it.
USCCFANINKS said:
You work the legal system like Nebraska's Offense, always shooting yourself in the foot .... I don't like either VZW or AT&T, but I have to side with VZW on this one. regardless of who's 3G is "faster" in lab test
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jrfdsf

Nov 13, 2009, 4:46 PM

Verizon Is Also Lying About Sprint's 3G Coverage

But Sprint is in no position to do anything about for obvious reasons.
Sprint also roams on to a lot of VZW's 3G. bring the facts......
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How is Verizon lying about Sprint's coverage? I haven't seen or heard any commercials or comments against Sprint.
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I could be wrong, but I believe that the 3g coverage Sprint portrays on their map on their website includes their roaming agreements. Verizon's claims right now are based on the carriers own native network, minus roaming agreements.

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bluecoyote

Nov 13, 2009, 6:19 PM

Verizon needs to stop advertising their network is better when it isn't...

Despite this "OMG AT&T's Network is terrible," as someone with both an AT&T and Verizon account I can verify, especially in the southeastern USA that AT&T's network coverage is better than Verizon's. I haven't experienced any network issues beyond isolated issues with AT&T either.

By contrast, Verizon's network (for example, if you travel from Atlanta to Charlotte) drops out constantly and cannot provide reliable or constant data service.

Verizon also is not providing 3G in many parts of Northern GA that they are claiming. In areas such as Greenville, Verizon's network struggles indoors where AT&T manages just fine.

AT&T needs to make improvements on their network, but so does Verizon Wireless.

VZW is making false statements abou...
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LOL No carrier guarantees coverage indoors. One never knows if the person lives in a bomb shelter...or trailer.
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I travel down I-75 all of the time between the areas that you just mentioned, and I disagree with you entirely. I stop in Dalton, GA often, and my iPhone does NOT have 3G there at all, while my blackberry from Verizon works like a charm on the 3G. I...
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... BlueCoyote knows all. VZW has no signal anywhere down south and AT&T has 3g signal everywhere. The Iphone is the greatest device ever and does everything perfectly. The simple fact that NO ONE else for the industries has been able to realize these...
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bluecoyote said:
Despite this "OMG AT&T's Network is terrible," as someone with both an AT&T and Verizon account I can verify, especially in the southeastern USA that AT&T's network coverage is better than Verizon's. I haven't expe
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Your kidding right? You are letting your little corner of the country dictate how you perceive and ad that talks about NATIONWIDE coverage, right?

I work at a company that deals with Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint. I also have both Verizon as my persona...
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uhhhh no. everytime i go out of town my phone is the only one that works! yea they do have dead spots but not as much as att. just because you're one of the few ones that actually does get coverage doesn't mean a whole lot. i never had a problem with ...
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raulr

Nov 13, 2009, 10:46 PM

So where's at&t's 3G map that shows the misleading statement

All they show on their site is their data coverage, but they don't show their 3G data coverage, which is what Verizon's commercials are clearly referring to.
thats cause you have to zoom in... thats how little there is Laughing
raulr said:
All they show on their site is their data coverage, but they don't show their 3G data coverage, which is what Verizon's commercials are clearly referring to.

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I think its more of the implications that service does not work where there's no 3G.

E.g. Your friends 3G coverage keeps her out of touch ?
Are they implying that Twitter / SMS / MMS does not work on EDGE ?

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CrazeeATT

Nov 13, 2009, 5:17 PM

Something to consider.

For those of you that are having bad service at locations you most use your phone, there is something you can do.

There is something called a network incident tracker that all At&t stores can submit regarding issues about the network. As a consumer, you can walk into an At&t store and ask to submit a network incident report for your address saying that you have no coverage, drop call, etc. Unfortunately, it will take about ten reports a day for about a week before At&t will actually send technicians out to see what they can do to improve the service for that particular address/neighborhood. My regional manager had issues with drop calls and he did this and now he has 5 bars all the time at his home.

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does that have to be done thru mti?
Verizon does the same thing.
namoroman

Nov 14, 2009, 1:53 PM

I have both

I have a contract Verizon phone (Blackberry Tour) and a contract AT&T Phone (Samsung Eternity). The closest 3G for AT&T is 40 miles away in the twin Cities. I live in southern Minnesota. In a small town. But there is still EVDO here, and the speeds are amazing.

Everyone around here thinks AT&T sucks because they have terrible service down here. I just know its a bad spot for the network.

I like both networks, but appreciate that Verizon has the 3G option everywhere I go, including the 30,000 person town i live in.
i have 3g in my town....and theres less than 4,000 people in my town...including the suburbs lol, AT&T is a joke and has been for many years, so lucky the IPhone came along and saved them, without it they have 0
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dapaides

Nov 15, 2009, 7:11 PM

Is it funny or pathetic ATT took down their 3G map?

I am fully prepared for att fanboys to object to this but, all the commercials are comparing is 3g coverage. I think its pretty pathetic that ATT shows their "data" area now to try to trick dumb people into thinking verizon is lying! I know for a fact that they used to have a seperate map showing 3g coverage, i cant seem to find it now! There is a big difference between data coverage and 3g! No, im not a verizon lover either, i have sprint. I just like the way verizon called att out on its pathetic 3g coverage and now instead of saying, we'll fix it, they are manipulating there coverage maps to try to make verizon look bad, not cool!
It isn't their 'Mobile TV' map? Eh?
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Well... I expect them to manipulate things to put themselves in the best light. If they took their 3G map down, I wonder if Verizon will remove them from their stores? I was in a Verizon store yesterday and there were both maps.
What do you mean took it down..
Go to http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer
zoom into any level and select '3G coverage' on voice.

3G is voice and data.
bubbasixx

Nov 13, 2009, 1:27 PM

Even their site does nothing to help their cause

When you read this letter they have a link on the right for the coverage map. When you click the map the only way to get 3G coverage is to click the link on the bottom that says "View 3G/Mobile Broadband coverage (in select areas). Check out the "select areas" http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/po pUp_3g.jsp.

Apparently 75% of the population only live in a few cities. Look at Massachusetts - 6 cities; Rhode Island - 1; They have as many cities covered in Alaska as they do in Delaware.

I think this list just validates those silly maps with specks of blue on them.
The one city in Alaska was probably the size of Delaware. Verizon has a very impressive looking map, but who cares about coverage where nobody is. AT&T and T-Mobile have maps that are far less impressive to look at, but you need to realize that the ...
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Sorry. The link I posted does not work. You have to go to the "view coverage map" link from the AT&T page with their letter.
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how about you select:

http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer »
zoom in and select the 'show 3G coverage' button vs a 'city by city' list ?
Jayshmay

Nov 13, 2009, 8:52 PM

Here's Engadget't comments on this ATT/Verizon fude. . .

Nothing but truth here. At the bottom it says in a year no one will care that ATT had the Iphone.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/11/13/editorial-h ... »
That is a hilarious article. The folks at Engadget were not holding back any punches.
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Jayshmay said:
Nothing but truth here. At the bottom it says in a year no one will care that ATT had the Iphone.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/11/13/editorial-h ... »

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At&t simply needs to make a competitive commercial.

and whats this talk about at&t loosing the exclusive rights to the iphone? i would love to have that phone with sprints everything data plans that include any mobile anytime Very Happy
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Very Happy Drooling I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Laughing Twisted Evil
PACWEST

Nov 13, 2009, 1:13 PM

Just fix the network!

I know, consumers are stupid so ATT has to respond. But just suck it up expand you're network, fix it, and expedite the 7.2 roll out!
I mean ATT gave VZW the ammo for these attack ads and if as ATT says their 3G is faster, run some commercials proving it.
Yes, I agree. Their network is lousy. I can't even use my iphone inside my house. The truth hurts.
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The problem is not just "ATT's" network, it's GSM in general. ATT chose to build their existing network on top of an old out-of-date network. ATT's current network is piggy-backed. Verizon and Sprint built their networks from the ground up, that is...
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I agree.
We've been promised 3G in the Duluth, MN market for quite a long time. After being told by my AT&T rep that they promised 3G on December 31st, they again pushed it back 45 days.
I'm still a bit of a VZW fanboy but now I work for a retailer ...
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Versed

Nov 15, 2009, 1:09 PM

To be Honest!

I think both AT&T and VZW are acting like douche bags over this. Both need to grow up. Its not worth 200 posts on this topics, nor all of out time dealing with it. There are far more exciting mobile topics.
You are wrong! I like seeing these guys defend their carriers' honor.
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Disrespect

Nov 13, 2009, 1:54 PM

Whats not to understand?

I understand that at$t has alot more to know about its coverage breakdown, Its at&t's job to make a counter commercial defending and including all this information not Verizons. But thats not what their commercial is saying. their commercial never denies or sheds light on at&t covers 75% of the nation with 3G.

AT&T can't force their competitor that Their commercial also say "But AT&T covers 75% of the population with 3G."

And no the commercial is not misleading. To everyone watching the commercial, you look at the map while its airing and you look where you live, where you visit and you see if you do or do not have 3G coverage, Its that simple!

So for those that look and see that att&t does not have 3G coverage and horizon does then...
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I think Horizon is one of Sprint's affiliates. You meant Verizon, right?
Yes the damn spellcheck changed it to Horizon. Ironic that a cell phone website's spellcheck don't recognize Cellular names. Eh?
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...no the commercial is not misleading. To everyone watching the commercial, you look at the map while its airing and you look where you live, where you visit and you see if you do or do not have 3G coverage, Its
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exactly. but they cry about it instead because they can't compete. everyone face it. they lost
cellgeek82

Nov 13, 2009, 8:58 PM

AT&T is a sissy nanny

I wish AT&T would quit crying over Verizon showing proof that they have better 3G coverage. Verizon clearly has more 3G coverage and there is nothing misleading about that.

I think AT&T has nothing to brag about their network anymore like: they don't have the largest network, they don't have the best coverage, they don't have the largest 3G network, and even though their 3G speed is just a little faster it's not reliable....hmm the only thing they have to brag about is the iPhone, but now that the Droid is out on Verizon even the iPhone isn't that great.

If AT&T would just shut up and improve their network then the other carriers wouldn't be treating them like the nerd of the class.

They didn't sue Alltel when they said they had th...
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DROID ! lol well we will see by the # of people that buy that crap. The main thing is also HOW many people can, if ANY, V can get to leave a company just to get a Droid. I don't see many doing this the phone is not ground breaking, cool yes gbreaking ...
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Ah...the iphone IS that great. It is now when it is only available on AT&T and it still will be once it is available for Verizon. Don't knock a good girl just because you can't have her. Give her time... She'll come around.
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I wish AT&T would quit crying over Verizon showing proof that they have better 3G coverage. Verizon clearly has more 3G coverage and there is nothing misleading about that...

The lawsuit isn' ...
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to be honest, what would you expect? Thats all they are good for. Just to whine and cry about them sucking and try to get the big guys involved and getting the public involved when they are just going to make a bigger fool of the company then they alr...
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justpe8709

Nov 14, 2009, 11:53 AM

V this AT&T that .....

V this AT&T that ..... say what you want V wants the iPhone so bad that it will sell it's soul to the DEVIL !!!!!

If you like your sevice then you LIKE IT, If you HATE your service the CHANGE COMPANY's!!!

No matter what happens Verizon does not and will not let you talk and surf at the same time, so for a company that should be GREAT why not this ( not to add to it the BLUETOOTH lock out that V does on it's customer's WTH ). I want to be on a phone call AND the web at the same time AND while I'm taking a pic and sending it via mms ALL AT THE SAME TIME ! Thats right Verizon CAN NOT and WILL NOT let you do this. Get a phone that works where you are, but if you want to have a network/phone that lets you multi task well... AT&T it is !
Wow! You REALLY wanted to get your point across, didn't you?

You make a strong point, though. Quite valid. As of now, the CDMA carriers do not support simultaneous voice and data sessions. Perhaps in addition to suing Verizon, AT&T should run...
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way to go! Pin a CDMA deficiency on the carrier. Why not point out that VZW does not have sim chips.

What will be the excuse once VZW rolls out their LTE? In a year, VZW will likely have better LTE coverage than ATT's 3G coverage. Now that is...
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Screw the iPhone, who wants it now? I think even Verizon sees they have a real jewel device, the Motorola Droid. Any geek would admit it's way better than the iPhone. The iPhone is just a fancy toy that downloads touch screen games and plays music....
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The Iphone will not let you take a picture, surf the web and listen to Pandora at the same time because they block all multitasking unless it is a native app. They also blocked bluetooth profiles on devices that had it (itouch), and they have a recor...
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good luck finding the coverage to do that. Wink
donebrasko

Nov 13, 2009, 4:12 PM

The Map is what made me switch

Before the commercial came out I was on Verizons website and I saw their high speed coverage and then looked at AT&Ts. I was with AT&T since 2001 and its a shame that the coutry areas get ignored. I live in SC and only Columbia and Myrtle Beach gets 3g. Well not only but those places are the closest to me.

Anyway I sat beside my brother with our WM phones and we both downloaded something from Youtube. His streamed seamlessly (Verizon) while mine kept stopping to buffer(AT&T). I am a data heavy user and if I am going to pay all that money I might as well have the best service and speeds. The map says it all. There is no way you can refute it. Edge speeds was ok, but its like dial up compared to what I am getting now. And this is...
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Obviously it was faster internet speeds where you use it.
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Welcome home (to Verizon),

I live in the Greenville-Spartanburg area and here ATT has 3G in addition to Columbia, Charleston, and Murtle Beach.

I have been with Verizon since Sept 2001, and I am well pleased with it.

Just look at the SC veriz...
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I know EXACTLY how you feel. I have the same issue every day- one VZ phone in one hand and ATT in the other... VZ-- no problems, even in Kentucky.
im curious why you didnt choose sprint f unlimited everything including unlimited mobile to mobile on any cell phone carrier and 450 landline mins for 69.99 a month
im curious why you didnt choose sprint unlimited everything including unlimited mobile to mobile on any cell phone carrier and 450 landline mins for 69.99 a month
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Jonathanlc2005

Nov 13, 2009, 7:33 PM

FACTS OF ALL 3 3G CARRIERS

att is really caught with its tail between its legs. its like the steroid guy that thinks hes cool, and the girl he was with just flat out told everyone about his "shrinky dink". lol

now how halarious this may be about att finally being put in thier place, just remember... that att really had not changed till 2005. may i remind everyone of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT1Y2sLLKU and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OLdo06RKu8&NR =1 and if you see others then fine... but this isnt the first. att has always been slow in thier 3g expansion... heres an example of 2008 with verizon vs att http://www.evdoinfo.com/images/stories/VZWvsA TT_3Gcoverage.png and heres the updated att now http://www.xti9.com/att/att3gfull.gif so its clear.

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jrfdsf

Nov 14, 2009, 3:57 PM

We Shouldn't Be Surprized By These Ads...

...because this is the same company that once advertised having a faster PTT network than Nextel, and that their old service "doesn't work anymore."


http://fixed-mobile-convergence.tmcnet.com/topics/mo ... »

November 05, 2008NAD Sides with Sprint Nextel over Verizon PTT Ads
By Mae Kowalke, TMCnet Senior Editor

Companies seeking to attract or retain customers sometimes employ the strategy of comparing their products or services to offerings from competitors, the obvious implication being that one is significantly better than the other. While this can be a successful strategy in some cases, it’s also dangerous.

One of the latest examples o
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Really? They did not take it up with NAD (like Sprint did). I wonder why? If it is the same thing then perhaps AT&T will be successful. In any event, this has made Phone Scoop just a bit more lively the last few days. I want to thank all the high...
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