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Cingular 3G To Launch November 1

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Oct 14, 2005, 11:24 AM   by (staff)

An internal link to Cingular's sales website has revealed that the carrier plans to launch their 3G network on November 1. At launch, the network will cover 15 metro areas, however 3 of those are large contiguous areas covering more than one city. The initial launch includes Atlanta, Austin, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Portland, Salt Lake City, San Diego, San Francisco / San Jose / Oakland, Seattle / Tacoma and Washington / Baltimore / NoVa. The only device mentioned in the document is the Sierra Aircard 860, however the document also mentions streaming video, opening the possibility that the LG U320 and other handsets may be available at launch as well. Cingular expects throughput speeds of 220-320 Kbps on the network, which is slower than what HSDPA is capable of, however the Sierra Aircard 860 is an HSDPA specific device, lending credibility to Cingular's statements that the network would be HSDPA on launch.

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Oct 14, 2005, 12:25 PM

220-320 Kbps?????

I thought UMTS/HSDPA was supposed to blow EVDO away with its data speeds. Why are they only anticipating speeds that EDGE is capable of (or at least it seems that my EDGE phone can get 220-320 kbps)?????

EVDO gets real world speeds of 300 to 600 kbps. How is this supposed to be better?

Now I'm all disappointed, not only is my market not getting it, but it isn't going to be as fast as I thought. Crying or Very sad
220-320 kbps is UMTS w/o HSDPA.
HSDPA is technically rated to 14 Mbps.
Most likely it will be detuned at the start though Mad
SForsyth01 said:
I thought UMTS/HSDPA was supposed to blow EVDO away with its data speeds. Why are they only anticipating speeds that EDGE is capable of (or at least it seems that my EDGE phone can get 220-320 kbps)?????


Oct 25, 2005, 6:24 PM

Why so hush hush??

Surprisingly cingular hasn't commented at all about the leaked information.....watsup with that

Oct 15, 2005, 5:46 PM

Point of order

The goofiest thing about this discussion is that Verizon's early lead in 3G with EV-DO has not, in fact, netted them a ton of 3G customers. Verizon isn't quoting numbers, but reliable industry experts put VZ's 3G customer base (at least those with aircards and PDAs) at less than 1/2 million. If true, this means that about 1% of their very large base is using EV-DO. This of course discounts those with DV-DO phones, but is a much more reliable measure of who "cares" about a faster network than a discussion of how many Motorola E815s have been sold. I'm sure we can agree on that. (Someone with an EV-DO aircard or PDA purchased it FOR the speed of the network, whereas an E815 buyer isn't necessarily engaging in "3G", except by default with ...
wooohooo just 1 more thing you nerds will be doing on the freeways emailing and talking on your phones at the same time isnt life great??
edge is a big factor with so many areas NOT covered, and will continue to be so as long as 3G is in its infancy
Business users don't like to change things like carriers so of course they're gonna stay where they are with Cingular. Just gotta keep 'em happy enough to not wanna switch. Not too hard.
You have a lot of good points.

I think when wireless data really takes off is when these carriers meet up with TODAY'S standards and actually offer megabit PLUS internet, like I said, TODAY'S standards, what people expect when it comes to speeds. R...
That goes to show that you CAN'T be someone employed in the cellular industry.

It is a RARE REQUEST for someone to have the latest and greatest tech. in the cell industry. I've sold in three rather large markets for over 4 years now, and 80-90% ...

Oct 14, 2005, 12:39 PM

Cool! But Still So Far Behind Verizon & EVDO

Its great that Cingy is FINALLY starting to get their 3G ball rolling, but they're still so far behind.

Verizon 3G (EVDO):

- already in 84 major metro markets
- available to 140 million people
- avg speeds of 400-700 kbps, 2 Mbps burst

Cingy 3G (UMTS/WCDMA):

- in 15 major metro markets as of Nov. 1
- available to ? million people
- avg speeds of 220-320 kbps

Like I said, nice first step, but available to about 1/5 as many markets and at half the speed?
BetterThanJake said:
Its great that Cingy is FINALLY starting to get their 3G ball rolling, but they're still so far behind.

Verizon 3G (EVDO):

- already in 84 major metro markets
- available to 140 million people
- avg spe
EV-Do 300ms latency
HSDPA 30ms latency

Latency is more important for web surfing and it prevents Verizon from streaming their videos. If you have V-Cast, you'll have to download clips before watching them.
Well, better than no competition....

Besides, I haven't been able to do any file transfers or anything to tell me what the ACTUAL speed of VZW EVDO is.

I would rather see what they do. People can wait an extra damn second.

Oct 14, 2005, 9:05 PM

UMTS will eventually win

A) I've used a UMTS card in Seattle for some time and it is significantly faster than the claims currently. I definitely think this is a safe estimate so people aren't insanely pi$$ed when they fork over the money for it and it underperforms.

B) Cingular has EDGE almost completely nationwide. Much faster speed to fall back on if need be, plus I'm sure they have agreements with all the providers to assist in the UMTS rollout.

c) And this is the big one everybody's missing: You can talk and browse at the same time on UMTS. Might not be as important for laptop card users, but (although they're a high dollar segment) isn't the biggest segment. More people buy Treo's, BlackBerry's and the like than laptop cards. They want voice (via bl...
Sorry, but you can't really beat something with nothing. And for at least the next year, for most folks who'll want wireless broadband outside of the home or wi-fi hotspots, that's what you have a choice of... EV-DO or nothing. Cingy's way behind in 3...

Oct 14, 2005, 11:43 PM


I started to read the posts on this forum and I really got frustrated. I just want to know how many of you actually use these EV-DO or any other high speed wireless internet??? The 3G cingular is rolling out is WCDMA based and is slower than HSDPA and EV-DO but HSPDA is only a SOFTWARE upgrade and anything else faster will be hardware,(I am not sure what else is faster right now, excluding WI-FI and such) I stay with Cingular data because I can use my laptop with it and can code it to do just about anything, Verizon I can not find any way to tether a laptop to a phone and use cheap data rates. If anyone has I would love to hear it, but as far as people posting someting just because they like to argue, that is different.

Do you have the HSDPA capable card by Sierra? I want to hear your experiences with it.
I have a Verizon aircard, but ONLY b/c Cingular is a procrastinator, of whome I am losing my patience with, b/c they are so far behind. And with reguards to pairing a Bluetooth phone to a laptop, no hopes of any such things with a Verizon handset, b/c...

Oct 18, 2005, 7:03 PM

Verizon/EV-DO vs Cingular/HSDPA

Verizon claims to cover 140 million people with its EV-DO offering, but that doesn't tell you how they measure those people. If, as is typical, they're stretching the definition as much as possible they're probably counting everyone who lives or works within their coverage area. You're probably being counted if you can use EV-DO at home or at work.

Cingular claims they're going to cover 15-20 cities by the end of the year, but that doesn't tell you how many people are covered. I used the 2000 U.S. Census figures for the covered cities to come up with roughly 50 million people who live in the covered metropolitan areas. So roughly 1/3 of Verizon's "coverage".

So yeah, at the end of this year Verizon's 3G coverage will ...
I've got a bad feeling we're not going to see speeds any where close to 14mbps anytime in the next 24 months. Or any sooner than Sep. 08, but we'll have to wait and see.
I've been a voice customer with Cingular for 4yrs in January.
But stuck as data...
Yeah, you never know who is going to have the future. I can remember when AT&T Wireless was the coverage leader, a reputation they lost to Verizon Wireless, a reputation, in turn, that Verizon Wireless can lost to another company.

Remember when ...

Oct 14, 2005, 12:22 PM

WOW!! Blazing Speed!

Rolling Eyes ..."Cingular expects throughput speeds of 220-320 Kbps on the network." What's the point?!? Both Verizon and Sprint have launched EV-DO networks that average 400-700kbps., peaking @ 2Mbps! It's like rolling out a VGA camera phone when everyone else is using 1.3megapixel and 2megapixel. Is there something I'm missing here??? If not, this is just pathetic!
Humdizzle said:
Rolling Eyes ..."Cingular expects throughput speeds of 220-320 Kbps on the network." What's the point?!? Both Verizon and Sprint have launched EV-DO networks that average 400-700kbps., peaking @ 2Mbps! It's like rollin
And you guys do know the latency is better for HSDPA than EV-DO right?
Hey they are launching a few months earlier than expected.... They weren't going to start until january one 06!

Oct 17, 2005, 12:53 AM

Why I'm Loyal To Cingular, and NOT Verizon

I DON'T TRUST Verizon, they disable features, they're toooooooooo, too controlling of they're handsets, and here are some links for you Verizon loyalists. Phones cost TOO MUCH $$$ to be having features disabled.
These Verizon customers cry out! ! ! !:
1. "Help! I've tried hacking my phone's seems/menus/files and now it won't boot!"

2. "I'm pissed that Verizon crippled the v710. Is there anything I can do?"

01. http://www.nuclearelephant.com/papers/v710hac kers.html

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I agree that VZW shouldn't cripple bluetooth. Indications are that the 6256i will be released for Verizon with full bluetooth functionality, which would set a very good precedent. Guess we'll see. Smile

In any case, I'm loyal to Verizon and not Cingul...

Oct 15, 2005, 4:02 PM

New York City?????

Just out of curiousity, why won't any carrier launch anything new in the New York City. For example, when AT&T started rolling out GSM/GPRS, they first launched it in most of the other metro areas and when Verizon launched EVDO, they launched it in the west coast first, even though they are a New Jersey based company??????!!!!!!!
Cingular Orange doesn't have a network in NYC. Before the merger, Cingular was using T-Mobile's network. Glad that's over.

Oct 16, 2005, 2:33 AM


Remember the article right here @ Phone Scoop about Cingular and HBO having talks, well maybe not too much longer that will become a reality in new 3G/UMTS handsets, but aircards will probably be out before handsets.

Oct 15, 2005, 6:32 PM

Cingulars 3G network

I'm going to continue having faith in cingular, I believe they know what there doing. Atleast they better be seeing as how plans are more expensive now but i don't think people have really notice. The increase in money for the plans i believe is used towards building the 3g network. The phones may only be capapable of those low speeds for now but i'm sure its just because the network hasn't been extremly utilized yet on the towers. I'm sure once they get more the speeds will increase.

The fact that they are rolling out with it now is great for they want to start off with something and build up instead of making us wait 4ever. I"m really curoius on what plans, phones, games and service's they have once they realize on november 1st. I'm su...

Oct 14, 2005, 11:52 AM


i have heard that BigOrange has 3G handset agreements with LG, Nokia, and Moto. Which phones will be available @ launch? maybe that moto that just popped up on FCC? hopefully a Nokia 6280 (im looking to leave my razr), but i really don't care for LG Evil or Very Mad
If LG would just improveo their GSM reception quality/signal strength they wouldn't be so bad! Same with samsung.... the LG 4010, 4050 and C1300 were all really bad phones, but the newer 1400, 1500, c2000 seem to be much better than past models. Not ...

Oct 14, 2005, 12:14 PM

other areas?

I was hoping St.Louis would be one of the 15 areas in the roll out of 3G. How long do you think for 3G to spread?
Not long. Very Happy

Oct 14, 2005, 1:47 PM

which LG?

which LG is the U320?Any pic...
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